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I've just aborted a phone conversation with my mother

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clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:31

because she is grumbling AGAIN, and I no longer know what to say, or how to sympathise any more. I told her I didn't want to have this conversation with her, and her response was that I don't want to listen to her problems

She has told me she feels neglected, she feels my sister should do things for her, she shouldn't have to do things for herself all the time. Her neighbours only have to say something, and their three sons are running round, fixing this, doing that etc etc and she gets NOTHING.

Now I live 130 miles away, and she accepts that I can't do much for her (except I organised buying her mobility scooter, booked her holiday with her friend, went with her to help buy a new TV, I try to suggest ways to make things easier etc etc).

My sister is reasonably local, but has a full time job, a daghter with lots of emotional and educational problems (adopted, she brought a very difficult background with her), and yes she has hobbies such as the local drama group and a smallholding which take up her time. My mother resents the fact that my sister & BIL put their hobbies above her wants.

My mother has a car, and can get about with her walking stick. She has had a new hip (done about 4 years ago, just after I had mine done), and in January 2007 a knee replacement, but she has never benefitted from these, because she wouldn't do the physiotherapy and work needed to get her fitness back. She does struggle a bit to get about, but that's bedcause she doesn't move around enough (and I know this, I've been thru it myself).
Now she won't go anywhere, or run errands for herself. She asks my sister/BIL to do it, then grumbles to me because they haven't done it, or they didn't make it a top priority
As an example, she wanted a watch bracelet adjusted. My sister has taken it to the jewellers and it's been done, but hasn't been to collect it. My mother could drive to the jewellers, park no more than 20 yards away, and get it. But she won't. I've asked her why not, and she says "why should I? why can't they do something for ME".
But she has all the time in the world to do it.

Aside from this, mother won't go out socially. She has never made friends where she lives (moved down there 20 years ago with my father, who died 8 years ago), and won't do anything to try to meet anyone.
My sister tried a few years ago to get her into WI, but she wouldn't do that. She wanted to try using the internet, so we gave her a laptop, and suggested she go to classes. She won't do it, and gave loads of excuses (didn't know where they were, we found them for her, didn't want to be tied to do things at set times, etc etc)
We have felt for a while that my mother may be depressed, which was why she won't go out and do stuff. So, I had a quiet word with her Dr.
But when the Dr asks her how things are she says everything is fine, now way is she depressed, etc etc.

I ended the conv today, because she told me my sis has invited her up to their house this pm to watch grand national & have drinks with them and visiting friends. My mother had my niece to stay last night, and she says that the only reason they asked her to go up is to save them driving down to fetch my niece.

I don't know what to say, but I don't like my Mum very much ATM.

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cornsilk · 05/04/2008 14:34

She does sound depressed if she won't go out - or has she always been like that? Not easy for you as you are obviously doing what you can to help.

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:36

We are pretty certain she's depressed cornsilk, but she won't accept it, and wouldn't consider any treatment for it.

What do you do?

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QuintessentialShadows · 05/04/2008 14:41

Imagine growing old, be lonely, sick and in need, and get the feeling that the children you raised and loved, dont care a hoot about you.

Seems to me she is trying to force a reaction. Maybe she just feels bottom priority. It does sound unreasonable, though.
Must be frustrating.

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:48

But we do give a hoot, Quint, we care very much. We both ring her every day, and try to include her in what we're doing (like my sister's invitation today). But when we try to suggest things to her, she always rejects them, finds objections to why she should try things/do things/ go somewhere.

She isn't neglected, but we have our lives & children to care for too, and she could do more for herself, if she chooses to.

I remember her feeling very cross with her mother, when we were in our teens because she was very demanding of my mums attention. And my mther didn't have a job (apart from us).

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QuintessentialShadows · 05/04/2008 14:49

No sorry, that is not what I meant, but from her perspective it probably seems like you dont. Why else would she be so needy?

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:52

The problem is that the reaction she will get will not be the one she wants.
I don't feel like I want to speak to her again now for days (but I will of course)

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clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:54

She has also had a go at me because we're going on holiday next week without her.

She came with us last year, but it was never suggested that she would always come with us, and frankly, dh wanted time with me and ds this time, without us constantly having to check with mother what we were doing

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cornsilk · 05/04/2008 14:55

Does she have anyone else to speak to? Is she venting her anger and frustration at you because you are the only people she speaks to?

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 14:57

Yep, only us. Only really has one friend (who she's going on holiday with), and that friend will be a work today, cos she still works 6 days a week, despite being older than my mum.

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cornsilk · 05/04/2008 14:59

My mum is a bit like that, especially the not going out thing. I think it's a combination of lonliness and frustration. Was she very active and self - sufficient in the past?

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 15:05

Well, she's never been active, if you couldn't park at the door of somewhere, then she didn't want to go ...

She was very strong, raising 2 disabled daughters (including all the fights with Drs & hospitals that entailed), and then she nursed my father thru alcoholism.

When he died, she said it was her turn to get on with life. But she broke an ankle soon after (while staying with us) which she took a great deal of time to get over, and seems determined to sink into "invalidness".
I guess she has no fight left in her, except to fight with me.

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oneplusone · 05/04/2008 15:11

Could you try and 'find' her some more friends? who perhaps would be willing to go and have a cuppa and a chat with her and slowly try and get her to go out? She sounds depressed to me and she won't be able to help herself, she needs someone to help her get through it.

cornsilk · 05/04/2008 15:13

So where does she actually go when she does leave the house? Is it just to your house and your sister's? Will she go to the shops?

GettingratherGROUCHYOSCAR · 05/04/2008 15:14

CM, my mum is always complaining that everything is against her and her specifically. Everyone was 'playing dirty tricks' etc etc. Thing is, no one is/was, she just doesn't use her common sense and thinks everyone owes her a favour

About 5 years ago she was doing the same thing about a phone bill and she phoned my up to ask me my opinion. I told her the product would have come with instructions explaining call charges and she would have to stand it and pay up.

'I didn't ring up for this'
'You rang up for my opinion, I've given you it, If you don't like it why ask for it?'
End of conversation

I only talk to her when I have to and I like it like that

FranSanDisco · 05/04/2008 15:27

She sounds very similar to MIL. Since FIL died she never goes anywhere, apart from church now and again. She didn't go out much when he was alive but he was a bossy old sod and would insist she went everywhere he was going. At first I put it down to depression but she seems really happy that by not going out people do things for her. She thinks nothing of asking the young woman up the road from her, who has a young family, to get her this and that from the shops and drop her to the church if her son can't take her. I think the woman offered the once and is unable to say no now.

When MIL rings she launches into her health issues and never asks about anyone else. In fact ds (5 yo) won't talk to her anymore on the phone because she "doesn't let me talk".
She seems to like pity and really enjoys people making a fuss of her. I suppose my being "sick" she's guaranteed attention but who wants to be pitied? Bloody sad existence.

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 17:36

oneplus, we've tried, really. My sister has taken my mother to her village's "lady's lunch", which happens once a month. My sister can't go every month, but thought if she introduced my mum round (to most of the ladies who are more my mum's age), she might go again. but she won't go on her own, and thinks my sis should take a days holiday every month to go with her.

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clumsymum · 05/04/2008 17:42

Cornsilk, She will go out once a week to the local Co-op to get her shopping, unless she can get her cleaning lady to bring stuff in for her.

She doesn't really go anywhere else. She doesn't come here, because we're too far away. She has decided she can't drive on the motorway anymore, and won't even think about trying to come on the train, unless my BIL will take her to the station and escort her to the train door.

She only goes up to my sisters now and then, because they are always busy in the garden or with their animals, and won't sit in the house with her.

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NotABanana · 05/04/2008 17:43

She sounds lonely, unconfident, miserable and I feel sorry she isn't making more of her life.

Maybe ask her what it is exactly she wants people to do for her and go from there.

The chances are she has forgotten what it is like to have small children and/or a job and feels left out.

clumsymum · 05/04/2008 17:43

FranSanDisco

Exactly, I think her life is sooooo miserable, because she won't put any effort in to living it.

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