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To plant a climbing rose next to a concrete pipe?

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Marigolds24 · 26/05/2024 20:48

I would love some advice on this!
I've just spent the past 2 days going to 2 different garden centres to choose a climbing rose, buying a beautiful 2 metre tall well established one, then buying a wall trellis, drilling scews in to the brickwork of the front of my house and screwing the trellis to the wall, then excitedly digging the hole in the earth at the centre of the fitted trellis for my rose to go in and......I've hit a massive concrete pipe about 12 inches down. It's a huge pipe, I think it's a concrete gas pipe.
This means the pipe will be there whether I move the hole left or right, it's obvious it runs along the entire front of my house.
I'm so upset!
I can't plant the rose on top of the pipe because it's roots won't be able to grow down, they will hit the concrete pipe.
But do you think I could plant it in front of the pipe and gently bend the stalk over to the wall and fix it to the trellis? It would mean the rose would be planted 12 inches away from the wall of the house.....so I'd need to gently bend the stalk from this point to the house wall, 12 inches away.
Would bending the stalk like this upset the climbing rose? Could it grow like this?
Would the rose roots be OK in front of the pipe?
Can't believe it. Should've dug the hole before I even went to the garden centres!!

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MumMumMumMumMumMumMum · 26/05/2024 20:50

Does the rootball fit in the hole you have dug? I'd have thought roots will find it's way around the pipe

FuzzyPuffling · 26/05/2024 20:53

Plants prefer to be planted a little way from the base of a wall. It avoids the rain shadow problem, and the roots will wriggle round any obstacles.

FuzzyPuffling · 26/05/2024 20:54

Oh, don't bend the stalk when it's short- wait until it's grown longer and don't force it.

CasperGutman · 26/05/2024 20:55

As @MumMumMumMumMumMumMum says, I'd expect the roots to find their way around the pipe, and I doubt a rose would damage the pipe if it's in good condition.

If there isn't room for the root ball above the pipe, you could get a big pot and cut/break out the bottom, put it in position amd plant the rose in that. The roots will make their way down into the ground, and will have more space above the pipe before they have to make their way around it.

GoneFishingToday · 26/05/2024 21:00

As 'FuzzyPuffling' says, it's recommended to plant things about 18" away from a wall anyway OP, so plant it in front of the pipe, angling it toward the wall. Put some sticks either side, then as it grows, attach it to the angled sticks until it hits the trellis, and then start tying it to the trellis as it gets bigger.

Marigolds24 · 26/05/2024 21:43

Oh thank you everyone!
I never knew plants should be planted away ftom the wall, that's interesting.
The rose is already 2 metres tall. It's a beautiful well established rose. It has 3 stalks, all 2 metres tall, with a big mop of beautiful roses at the top.
Yes, the rootball would fit in to the hole I've dug. But the roots wouldn't be able to grow downwards, they'd hit the concrete pipe.
But now I've read from 2 posters that plants should be planted away from the wall, I'll plant it in front instead.
I just didn't know if it's ok to bend the stalk that far.
I've been seriously ill for 8 months, but I'm just starting to feel better again, and I want to plant a tall climbing rose to symbolise that. It will cheer me up every time I approach my little house, and it will remind me that I too can grow tall and strong again.

OP posts:
Marigolds24 · 26/05/2024 21:44

P.S.
What's the rain shadow problem?

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noctilucentcloud · 26/05/2024 22:14

Marigolds24 · 26/05/2024 21:44

P.S.
What's the rain shadow problem?

It's just the area close to the wall that won't get very much rain because of being in the (rain) shadow of the house. Enjoy your rose :)

Marigolds24 · 26/05/2024 22:15

Ahh I see.
Thank you!!😊

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GoneFishingToday · 27/05/2024 11:50

Glad we've been able to help, and think your idea of planting the rose to cheer you up after after your illness is a lovely idea. Do be careful not to try and bend the rose too far, or you may snap the branch off, and be careful when you tie it in, to ensure that you don't tie it too tightly, so that it has room to move with the breeze. Also make sure you give it lots of water over the coming months, as roses do need plenty of water, and also watch out for 'Black spot', and treat at the first signs, otherwise you'll end up with yellowed leaves that will drop off, and only flowers left, which looks a bit odd. Good luck with the rose, and I hope your health continues to improve.

Marigolds24 · 01/07/2024 21:14

GoneFishingToday · 27/05/2024 11:50

Glad we've been able to help, and think your idea of planting the rose to cheer you up after after your illness is a lovely idea. Do be careful not to try and bend the rose too far, or you may snap the branch off, and be careful when you tie it in, to ensure that you don't tie it too tightly, so that it has room to move with the breeze. Also make sure you give it lots of water over the coming months, as roses do need plenty of water, and also watch out for 'Black spot', and treat at the first signs, otherwise you'll end up with yellowed leaves that will drop off, and only flowers left, which looks a bit odd. Good luck with the rose, and I hope your health continues to improve.

Thank you so much for your lovely reply and for your advice!
I need some more advice now, coming up in my next post!

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Copperkryten · 01/07/2024 21:22

It will be a soil pipe not a gas pipe.
Underground sewage.

Marigolds24 · 01/07/2024 21:22

Oh dear, my lovely rose is a disaster!
When I bought it, it had 15 beautiful big roses on it, dancing away in the breeze.
I planted it, after reading all the helpful advice here.
Within days, all the vibrant red roses were dead.
I cut them all off in the hope more would grow.
But 1 month later, every rose that blooms is tiny, much smaller than the original, and they are dead within 24 hours. So I cut it off, a week later another one blooms, I get excited, it's dead within a day, I cut it off, and so on.
A month on, I've got green leaves but no roses.
I'm watering it regularly.
I'm ensuring I cut the dead roses off in the right place.
I've fed it with rose food.
And what's weird is that the leaves are really glossy and healthy looking, and it's sprouting new healthy leaves all the time. But no healthy flowers!
It's such a disappointing contrast to the collection of wonderful big plump vibrant red flowers on it when I bought it.
What is going wrong?!?

To plant a climbing rose next to a concrete pipe?
To plant a climbing rose next to a concrete pipe?
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GoneFishingToday · 01/07/2024 22:43

I would say that in view of the fact that the leaves look incredibly healthy, that it's finished it's current flowering period OP. Did it come with an information leaflet, as if you have that, it usually indicates the flowering period of a plant. Alternatively if you know the name of the rose, you could try Googling it, and find out that way, but from the photo you've posted, I really wouldn't be worried, and you'll probably find that around the same time that you bought it next year, it will once again be giving you big, beautiful flowers. Hope that helps.

Marigolds24 · 02/07/2024 05:37

That is so helpful @GoneFishingToday thank you!
The tag it came with was very uninformative, but I know the rose is called Deep Love.
So I'll Google It.
Thank you!

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GoneFishingToday · 02/07/2024 23:18

Can I recommend that you have a look at this article 'Marigolds24' :

https://bloominghaus.com/news/mistakes-responsible-roses-not-blooming/#:~:text=5.-,There's%20a%20Lack%20of%20Water,they%20need%20from%20the%20soil.

Not knowing the exact location, and the type of soil you have makes it difficult for me to guide you, but this article has a lot of information in that you might find useful. I see that your rose is meant to be a repeat flowering variety, so you may find that while it's only producing the odd flower at the moment, if given the right care, as per the instructions in the article above, it will probably have another burst of buds soon.

It's certainly a beautiful flower, I hope it does well for you.

a rose bush with pink flowers in a pot

9 Mistakes Responsible For Roses Not Blooming (2023)

Roses not blooming? Discover the mistakes that could be responsible and how to remedy them so your roses come into full bloom!

https://bloominghaus.com/news/mistakes-responsible-roses-not-blooming#:~:text=5.-,There's%20a%20Lack%20of%20Water,they%20need%20from%20the%20soil.

Marigolds24 · 03/07/2024 13:29

That's very helpful, thank you so much for posting a link!
I'll read through it....
Thank you😊

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GoneFishingToday · 03/07/2024 18:25

You're welcome Marigolds! There's nothing lovelier than a rose in full bloom. Does it have a nice fragrance? I've recently moved house, and have inherited a garden full of fabulous, fragrant roses, just hope that I can keep mine alive!😂

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