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How to broach constant whatsapping with another woman?

24 replies

jellowello · 26/05/2024 18:51

I don't if IABU feeling this way.

DH and I are going through a very bad patch. We've been together 17 years - I do love him. There's very little affection, no sex for 2 years. We get on well day to day but we're struggling. He doesn't want sex and says he's too old to hold hands etc. I'm desperate for love and affection. I do think he loves me but not in love with me. We have two young kids, one with SEN to complicate things.

The issue: he's an emergency response worker with a female partner. This isn't the issue, he's had female colleagues before and none of them have made me feel like this. She seems desperate for help, makes herself vulnerable so he can 'help' her with things. She does have a long term boyfriend. This is all things that he's told me not that I've seen, but stories featuring things that a fully grown woman is perfectly capable of doing yet she is needing his help. I did speak to him once at work a while ago, we ended our call but it didn't disconnect straight away so I heard a few seconds between them. He spoke to her so nicely it made me feel sick.

A few weeks ago, we had a big discussion around things, I asked if there was anyone else that would explain the bigger issues. I then thought I may aswell be honest and explain why I asked that. So I explained I felt uncomfortable and asked why she never speaks to me if we see them when we're out and basically told him my gut feeling about them isn't good. Apparently she's really shy - I don't buy this because she wouldn't be able to function in her job role if it was true.

I thought to ask about contact between them outside of work - I've never asked about this before about anyone. He said they might send a meme once a week which seemed fine - except I could tell he was lying. He's always been incredibly secretive of his phone. I don't think he's cheated before but it does make me think why he does this. I don't go through his phone, it's locked down like Fort Knox anyway so it would be impossible.

A couple of weeks ago he opened WhatsApp next to me on the sofa and her name was top of the list - I didn't say anything. I was driving the car today and glanced down, mainly because I thought he was pulling maps up from our conversation, but it wasn't it was WhatsApp. Her name was either top or second top. He is constantly messaging people for his hobbies so I just find it too much of a coincidence to believe both times in the last month I've seen his WhatsApp page she's been at the top and this is their weekly meme exchange.

I asked him about it, told him I didn't feel comfortable with the very frequent contact that seems to be going on. He said I was weird, crazy, they're friends, he's just going to sleep in his car tonight etc. I just asked normally.

He said a few weeks ago he'd never show me their messages because it's none of my business. I agree if I ask to read them it solidifies I don't trust him, but without reading them I don't trust her/him so I can't win. My gut says they talk all the time. I want to try and save our marriage. Would you be happy with this? I definitely don't feel secure in the relationship, I feel like the foundation is crumbling but I don't know whether this is the issue or if his behaviour is actually concerning.

IABU - his behaviour is reasonable
IANBU - I'd be uncomfortable if my DH did this.

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Mrsttcno1 · 26/05/2024 18:58

To be brutally honest OP, at the point you have to look through your partner’s phone in order to decide if you trust them, your marriage is over either way.

IncognitoUsername · 26/05/2024 18:59

I don’t think seeing that her messages are at the top is that bad a sign but the fact he’s so secretive about his phone is a very red flag. Innocent people don’t hide things.

AnotherCountryMummy · 26/05/2024 19:02

Sounds like he's having an emotional affair with her.

If he won't show you the messages then that says it all really.

I'm sorry, OP.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/05/2024 19:04

Essentially he’s checked out of your marriage and is in some kind of relationship and/or dependency with colleague. You’re left to do the day to day tasks maintain the family routine and support your 2 children. He gets his ego flattered by his off duty comms with his colleague. You’re literally getting nothing from him but you get the responsibility of having to maintain family and he gets a familiar support network and to waft off to be flattered by his colleague

Where is your line in sand, what do you want?

I am sorry you’re going through this. He’s not a good partner to you

MissyB1 · 26/05/2024 19:11

Whether it's her or someone else, he's not committed to your marriage anymore. No sec, won't hold your hand, very secrative. The writing is on the wall sorry. You could suggest counselling, he will almost certainly refuse.

Mary2024 · 26/05/2024 19:52

Could it be that he too is worried about your marriage, feeling unfulfilled and confiding in a friend? That might explain his unwillingness to open up about it or show you messages, but doesn’t necessarily mean an affair or anything. (Not excusing his behaviour at all or minimising your concerns - I’d be very upset in your position). In any case, if you want to try to fix your relationship counselling seems like a much better option than forcing the issue.

dazzlingdoll · 26/05/2024 19:57

He's not even holding your hand !!! This man doesn't love you anymore this man doesn't love u clearly end it

FredsRoses · 26/05/2024 20:05

OP, me and my DH have been together for 32 years, and still hold hands, he can look at my phone, and I can look at his, as there is nothing for us to hide. We love each other, and still frequently tell each other how important we are to one and other. I'm really sorry, but I do think that he could be cheating on you. Let him go and sleep in the car tonight if he wants to sulk, he's only saying he will to make you feel bad, so just call his bluff.

jellowello · 26/05/2024 20:13

he becomes so defensive he really makes me feel like I'm being completely unreasonable. I don't think I am though. I know some people might be ok with close male/female friendships but given the state of our marriage and their relative newness to each other (last summerish) it just feels wrong.

I feel like my stomach is in knots. He should be home in an hour and I just don't know what to do. I still love him but I know you're all right

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StormingNorman · 26/05/2024 20:21

I hope you get a chance to talk when he gets home. This is a horrible position to be in, even if you are wrong. Maybe ask him about his relationship with colleague rather than going straight in with your suspicions.

jellowello · 26/05/2024 20:23

I'm trying to think what to ask, how to ask, just everything. He knows I'm upset about it but won't want to discuss it. He just tells me I'm crazy and refuses to consider that being secretive and constantly being on his phone aren't suspicious behaviours.

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Mary2024 · 26/05/2024 21:02

Could you approach it by being really open, rather than with accusations? E.g. “I love you very much, but lately I’ve been feeling this distance between us - have you felt it too? I’m feeling very anxious about your relationship with X. I find myself feeling unloved and I’m desperate to feel closer to you. I want to fix this! Please can we work together to figure this out?

Cbljgdpk · 26/05/2024 21:08

I think that if exchanges were totally innocent or not crossing the line in some ways then he’d show you for your own peace of mind. I also think not knowing his PIN code is a worry.
How old is he? Is there an age difference between them?
Also OP you deserve love and intimacy (and sex if you want it) and you shouldn’t have to live a life without it

Beula82 · 26/05/2024 21:29

I would a sit down and have a (calm, if you can) heart to heart about the way you feel.

blacksax · 26/05/2024 21:44

His reaction was way over the top - calling you weird, crazy and saying he's going to sleep in his car etc.

That's an "Oh shit" reaction, and not one you'd get from someone totally innocent and completely baffled why their partner would even ask.

jellowello · 26/05/2024 21:48

There is an age difference, he's late 30s, she's late 20s, but her bf is early 40s so even that doesn't peter out the anxiety.

Im mid 30s. This just feels like torture tbh. He won't share the messages. He said she messaged today because she finished some work and shared that with him. Her boyfriend was assaulted so he's been checking on her etc.

I rang him before he got home so it felt less confrontational. I just said I don't like being lied to, I knew he was lying about the frequency. It wasn't so much the topic of conversation but the frequency and the familiarity/bond that breeds that is worrying me.

I asked him if he could see if from my point of view and he just said not really, she's a lovely person, I wouldn't be bothered if she was a man etc. So we're sitting in silence.

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WhamBamThankU · 26/05/2024 22:07

My ex cheated with someone at work. He mostly deleted their conversations even though her name was at the top of the list. Idiot. Your gut is probably right unfortunately, mines never been wrong. Flowers

Allofaflutter · 26/05/2024 22:15

It’s over. He doesn’t treat you like you are his love. He’s replaced you. Have a bag waiting for him and tell him to go. Look up DARVO.

RoobarbAndMustard · 26/05/2024 22:17

Sorry @jellowello
Sorry you're in this situation.
If there's no affection (or sex) in the relationship, and he doesn't want either, what is there to save in the relationship? It sounds like he's checked out and could be following 'The Script'. Being defensive, not reassuring you, calling you crazy.

MsDogLady · 26/05/2024 23:54

@jellowello, your unsettled feelings are entirely reasonable. Your H is heavily investing in this OW and she is blanking you. He is dismissing and devaluating your feelings/boundaries and blocking transparency. It sounds like they are having (at the least) an emotional affair.

He has opened a window to OW via their KISA/Damsel dynamic and is lapping up the validation. Contact has escalated as they’ve been building emotional intimacy and reliance. [Dr. Shirley Glass explains this shifting of allegiance and emotional resources away from the primary relationship in Not Just Friends.]

His secretiveness and defensiveness speak volumes. Her significance is such that he feels entitled to manipulate you with dishonesty, gaslighting, and name calling to make you back off.

@jellowello, he has detached from the marriage and withdrawn affection. He couldn’t care less that you are unsettled about his inappropriate relationship with OW. In your shoes I would show him the door. You don’t have to tolerate this utter contempt and disloyalty.

TheCryingTheBitchAndTheFloordrobe · 27/05/2024 00:29

Look, at this point, you honestly have nothing to lose.

I'd open a conversation (face to face not on the phone!) with what @Mary2024 suggested as it's well-phrased and centers your feelings rather than any accusations towards him. Ask if he can suggest any possible way forward and if he'd be willing to try couple's counselling.

If he won't, then really your first stop on Tuesday needs to be a solicitor. Sorry.

peebles32 · 27/05/2024 09:38

This sounds like my ex husband. No sex, defensive and female 'friend'. Yes they were having an affair. We had young kids which he adored which is why we stayed together. We had a friendship but no intimacy at all x

jellowello · 27/05/2024 12:01

It is a mess. He's giving silent treatment this morning - I'm getting on with our day. I just don't understand why he's doing this. He said he sends her things off twitter, just talk about their days but why not send them to me? Am I not interesting and fun also? There've been days recently where he's had days out with friends and normally he'd send pics of the event etc but thinking about it, I've had nothing in a while. He's definitely checked out, definitely a horrible person, yet I'm here desperate to keep shit together. I don't even understand myself.

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TheLoudLeader · 27/05/2024 12:08

First of all if you ask as simple question and get told you are weird and crazy, I would act weird and crazy. It takes a lot of courage to bring something up that’s bothering you so to be shot down like that isn’t fair, he could have just shown you the messages - and there. But for what ever reason he didn’t !

Also what is DH, sorry !

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