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To reduce hours when labour win election

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Parttimeplay · 24/05/2024 01:40

I fall into the “60%” tax bracket. With the upcoming elections and knowing the government always hammer the middle ground….woudlnt it make more sense for me to cut my hours for a more relaxed life, eligibility for childcare, reduced tax?

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Churchview · 24/05/2024 09:39

@Polishedshoesalways What exactly are Labour's 'woke vanity projects'?

Rwanda?
Nightingale hospitals?
PPE contracts for their mates?
The smoking ban? (Oh!)
No fault evictions? (Oh!)

frankentall · 24/05/2024 09:39

Polishedshoesalways · 24/05/2024 09:34

The economy is going to be screwed under Labour again.

Is that you Liz? You didn't do such a fine job yourself.

wombat15 · 24/05/2024 09:40

Blankscreen · 24/05/2024 09:28

And yes the 100k threshold was I produced years ago and hasn't been increased at all. It's literally a cliff edge.

The Tories are the ones that haven't increased the threshold.

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 09:42

TheDogIsInCharge · 24/05/2024 09:34

Is that you Nigel? I heard you weren't standing. Nice you're dressing it up as retirement instead of cowardice.

Anyone who uses "woke" as part of any argument is a pure fanny.

It's quite desperate isn't it ? We are going to get sick to death of Rishi's Plan as well. We all have a Plan to kick them out come July 4th. it's just a shame we can't get a load of them arrested for mass deliquency and corruption in government. As for a wealth exodus Lord Rothermere owner of the Daily Mail has been tax exile for yonks anyway in Monaco he'll be pushing out toxic lies on an hourly basis trying to scare the populace.At least our Prime Minature knows what a penis is !!

BlackEyesLikeADollsEyes · 24/05/2024 09:43

Average day school fees are around £1700 per month. If VAT gets added on, they will go up to £2000 per month. So about the same as nursery fees right now - which suggests they are affordable to someone already paying out £2k a month.

Presuming they don't decide to jack it all and become a part time florist because earning £100k no longer seems worth it Grin

I agree the real crime has been not keeping all tax brackets in line with inflation. Set them as clear, firm brackets without any of the weird stuff like the loss of personal allowance at a certain point; and then use the same inflation figure as state pensions to rise them each year - so that everyone moves on together.

That the current gov have dragged more and more people into the higher tax brackets via drag, during a time when quality of life has been dropping as people can afford less and less - is downright criminal imo.

Hell - for the last 10 years they could have simply kept tax brackets in line with their own MP salary rises ad we'd all be a heck of a lot better off. 5.5% uplift last month alone there.

Or, they could keep more stringent tax brackets but not wasted quite so much astonishing money on vanity projects and mates contracts - and we'd have also been better off.

StinkyWizzleteets · 24/05/2024 09:44

Not many middle ground PAYÉ earners on the 60% tax bracket. There’s nothing middle about anyone within the 60% tax bracket

fear mongering before we know anything for sure OP. Nice one 👍

mrsdineen2 · 24/05/2024 09:46

Polishedshoesalways · 24/05/2024 07:37

Under a Labour government so many are either going to leave the country or decide it’s simply not worth working hard. It’s a massive issue that Labour effectively are killing the ambition and prosperity of this country with high taxes. It’s an old and failed policy as their track record shows. We are planning an early retirement. It’s no longer worth it for us either: we are refusing to pay for Labours woke vanity projects.

It’s a massive issue that Labour effectively are killing the ambition and prosperity of this country with high taxes

What year is it? Who is the prime minister?

kittensinthekitchen · 24/05/2024 09:48

Oh look! New poster with a politically motivated first post, within only hours of the call of a general election.

Is anyone keeping tally?

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:48

Parttimeplay · 24/05/2024 02:18

I’m not saying the tories haven’t made a mess. I’m just saying in my situation, when labour get it, it’s just going to become pointless for me. Increased taxes, vat on schooling etc etc

The tax burden is the highest it's ever been under the Conservatives while public services have simultaneously been run down. High taxes aren't necessarily a bad thing if there are strong public services, subsidised childcare, good wage growth and affordable housing. People are still better off then. These are things that Labour has promised to deliver, and which the Tories have absolutely fucked up. Tax isn't a bad thing, it's the way to an equitable society, what we need are progressive taxes as part of a properly functioning government, and that's what we don't have right now.

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:50

kittensinthekitchen · 24/05/2024 09:48

Oh look! New poster with a politically motivated first post, within only hours of the call of a general election.

Is anyone keeping tally?

Mumsnet is Tory HQ's only hope of getting a few votes. The 'well at least Sunak knows what a woman is' lot will probably be out in full force soon.

Zonder · 24/05/2024 09:50

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:50

Mumsnet is Tory HQ's only hope of getting a few votes. The 'well at least Sunak knows what a woman is' lot will probably be out in full force soon.

What will they do if Sunak announces he isn't standing again and Penny jumps in to fight another day?

TheDogIsInCharge · 24/05/2024 09:51

Polishedshoesalways · 24/05/2024 09:35

Are you proud of your post? Fanny is a nasty misogynistic term, and Nigel who?! So utterly lame, barely worth a response.

Ha, so, so lame....and yet here you are.

I'm Scottish where "pure fanny" is a wonderful insult, which I like to reserve for people who think saying "woke" is some kind of clever statement instead of a lazy old trope used by the kind of people who really did fuck this country.

To reduce hours when labour win election
CharlotteLucas3 · 24/05/2024 09:51

MikeRafone · 24/05/2024 01:52

You can’t buy time as it’s not for sale

How do you work that out? Our time i.e. our lives are for sale. If you won the lottery and gave up work you’d have bought that time. That’s of course unless you love your job.

EasternStandard · 24/05/2024 09:51

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:50

Mumsnet is Tory HQ's only hope of getting a few votes. The 'well at least Sunak knows what a woman is' lot will probably be out in full force soon.

Labour do seem to revert to this attacking style of posting a lot.

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:52

Zonder · 24/05/2024 09:50

What will they do if Sunak announces he isn't standing again and Penny jumps in to fight another day?

That would put the cat among the pigeons!

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 09:56

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:50

Mumsnet is Tory HQ's only hope of getting a few votes. The 'well at least Sunak knows what a woman is' lot will probably be out in full force soon.

They will but I sense their hearts won't be in it. If you're on the Titanic you are better off trying to get your place in the lifeboats rather than catching the next number of the band. From my AI query ;

Approximately 336,000 people are already caught in this "60% tax trap" each year.
Nearly a million more workers are expected to fall into this trap in the coming years due to rising wages.
Around 950,000 people are currently earning between £75,000 and £100,000, placing them just below the threshold for the 60% tax trap.

It's important to note that this 60% rate is not a fixed tax band but rather a marginal rate applied to a specific portion of income. Several strategies, such as pension contributions and salary sacrifice schemes, can help mitigate the impact of this tax trap.

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:58

As an actual 'middle earner' and single mum whose wages disappear into a black hole of bills and paying for that massive luxury, food for my family, every month, I can't bloody WAIT for a Labour government. Life under New Labour seems like a golden age of being able to afford stuff, getting decent pay rises (until the global crash anyway), being able to get timely, free doctor's appointments even for 'minor' stuff like bunions and cysts and mental health problems (ha!), and people with disabilities not being treated like scum leeching off the tax payer. Since then, we've had endless misery. I can't wait until we have a new progressive government that doesn't feed off inciting hate and negativity in the population again. It'll also be nice to have rivers that aren't chemically dead and to be able to swim in the sea without risking cholera.

BlackEyesLikeADollsEyes · 24/05/2024 09:58

I know I posted this on another thread but it's really starting to feel like the Danny Kruger interview in which the play is to try and pretend Labour have been in power for the last 14 years and have messed up the country and the Tory government represents change Grin

Danny's interview, for those interested...

"We've been in power for a long time and I recognise people feel like it's time for change. Actually we represent the change that's needed, Labour represent more of the same. They might have different faces but they would be the ones carrying on the failed British state which has caused so many problems for this country"

GeraniumLeaves · 24/05/2024 09:59

MagnetCarHair · 24/05/2024 08:18

I think you might be surprised by how many people will quietly manoeuvre themselves so that they aren't paying more tax in some cases, or in cases were people are in striking distance of retirement, on a tipping point with the cost of childcare or who throw the towel in with private education, might step away from their roles completely with more punitive tax measures.

Absolutely. I’m working in an uninspiring but well paid job. I fantasise about going part time, which I could afford but the ability to build up pension savings prevents me from doing this just now. If it became harder to build those savings because of halving the tax relief (and without a decent increase in where higher rate tax kicks in), it would be harder to justify not just stepping back now. The ability to save for the long term is the motivator.

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:59

BlackEyesLikeADollsEyes · 24/05/2024 09:58

I know I posted this on another thread but it's really starting to feel like the Danny Kruger interview in which the play is to try and pretend Labour have been in power for the last 14 years and have messed up the country and the Tory government represents change Grin

Danny's interview, for those interested...

"We've been in power for a long time and I recognise people feel like it's time for change. Actually we represent the change that's needed, Labour represent more of the same. They might have different faces but they would be the ones carrying on the failed British state which has caused so many problems for this country"

Maybe his mum's been putting something funny into all those cakes she's baked for him. This is off the charts, Alice through the looking glass nonsense.

CurlewKate · 24/05/2024 10:00

@Parttimeplay "With the upcoming elections and knowing the government always hammer the middle ground"

If you genuinely think this you have never been the "lower ground".....

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 10:00

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:52

That would put the cat among the pigeons!

But she thinks men can have penises. So it would be swings and roundabouts. I'm not sure though that is even possible procedurally.

Itsabeautufulday · 24/05/2024 10:01

Parttimeplay · 24/05/2024 01:55

@MikeRafone agreed, I suppose it just seems annoying all these years striving to achieve now seem wasted. So yes, sod it.

Why wasted?

How negative. Look at the positives of what you've achieved.

GiantCousCous · 24/05/2024 10:02

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 09:58

As an actual 'middle earner' and single mum whose wages disappear into a black hole of bills and paying for that massive luxury, food for my family, every month, I can't bloody WAIT for a Labour government. Life under New Labour seems like a golden age of being able to afford stuff, getting decent pay rises (until the global crash anyway), being able to get timely, free doctor's appointments even for 'minor' stuff like bunions and cysts and mental health problems (ha!), and people with disabilities not being treated like scum leeching off the tax payer. Since then, we've had endless misery. I can't wait until we have a new progressive government that doesn't feed off inciting hate and negativity in the population again. It'll also be nice to have rivers that aren't chemically dead and to be able to swim in the sea without risking cholera.

I hate to disappoint you but I don’t think they’ll change anything for you. Why would they when it’s easier to keep blaming it on the Tories and maintain an anti-Tory rhetoric through the whole of the next parliament than it is to actually fix things? In part in revenge for what the Tories did about the “no money left” note! Things will stay exactly the same as they have no clue what they’re doing either and are happy to be taxing at the level they are. There will be a few vanity projects but nothing you or I would notice.

and no I’m not voting for either of them.

horseyhorsey17 · 24/05/2024 10:04

GiantCousCous · 24/05/2024 10:02

I hate to disappoint you but I don’t think they’ll change anything for you. Why would they when it’s easier to keep blaming it on the Tories and maintain an anti-Tory rhetoric through the whole of the next parliament than it is to actually fix things? In part in revenge for what the Tories did about the “no money left” note! Things will stay exactly the same as they have no clue what they’re doing either and are happy to be taxing at the level they are. There will be a few vanity projects but nothing you or I would notice.

and no I’m not voting for either of them.

I know my local Labour MP-to-be and I don't share that negative view.

If you're unhappy about how the country is run - get involved and help make the change you want to see.