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Teenage reality hitting home

137 replies

Globules · 23/05/2024 07:09

My teenagers will be voting their first GE.

We had a chat last night about it, and the conclusion they've come to is that their age group is screwed.

Uni loans, house prices, single life.

DS actually held his head in his hands recognising that his £30k house deposit is pointless until his salary is at a ridiculously high level to service a mortgage.

DD pointed out all of the parties are being silent on policies around their age group.

Whilst they have every right to feel negative about it all, they're optimistic beans. I was listening to them talking and feeling so despondent that life ahead looks so tough for them.

I was married aged 22. Bought our first house aged 24 on just my basic teacher salary (he was self employed, so he was a dependent). They just don't have the same outlook, do they?

I really feel for our under 25s. Just me?

OP posts:
Inkyblue123 · 28/05/2024 22:20

It’s not just young people. I know people in their 40s with no hope of home ownership. And it’s not just minimum wage earners, I don’t see any political party representing ordinary workers. Conservatives seem to only care about the top 10%, Labour is obsessed with public sector workers - less than 18% of the working population. What about the rest of us? I’m fairly centrist and neither party appeals. And before anyone mentions Lib Dem’s I’m not even sure who their leader is…

Mytholmroyd · 28/05/2024 22:31

Gobimanchurian · 28/05/2024 21:57

So many replies catastrophically missing the point.

Work hard, graduate (with 60k of debt compounding at 6% that you will re pay @ 9% of salary and will never be repaid) to get a job where your salary goes backwards in real terms, and house prices are 15 x average income. Taxes keep rising to keep pace with increasing weight of public service & the welfare state (a significant proportion of which is the state pension). Can't leave the country due to Brexit. That and the planet's fucked. Where are they supposed to find optimism from?

The social contact is broken.

It is. I am appalled at what has been done to our children in what is a wealthy European country - I cannot understand it other than billions are being siphoned off or a decision has been made to strip all social benefits (and I don't mean welfare) to the bone. Never seen anything like it.

DonnaBanana · 28/05/2024 22:41

This is what collapse looks like. It is not sudden. It does not look like an emergency. There is no panic. Things become slightly harder, more expensive, and unreachable over time until things slowly give way, people give up, and things are forever changed.

Didimum · 28/05/2024 22:47

Globules · 23/05/2024 07:33

The deposit is not the problem. It's the £18k salary he's on and the amount it will need to be to get a mortgage to buy the rest of the property.

The builder paid the deposit on our £63k first property. We never even had to have a deposit.

I think this is a little too pessimistic. He won’t be on 18k forever, or presumably for terribly long. Most people buy with a partner with a second income. The average age of first time purchase has been over 30 for at least 20 years.

ssd · 28/05/2024 22:49

L8v3Aboard · 28/05/2024 21:40

How did he save 30k at such a young age ?

I've seen Studio flats for sale under 100k, south

You can buy bigger properties further north

It would be easier to buy as a couple

I doubt he saved it himself, although the op won't answer so well never know..

Tumbleweed101 · 28/05/2024 22:57

My 23yo had started to save towards a deposit. Did a mortgage check to see how much she could borrow on her £24k salary (NHS full time) and she could get about £70k. What does that buy these days?

Instead she has gone travelling and will probably need to live with me indefinitely because private rentals are £800 a.month for studio/1 beds here and unaffordable. She could live in shared bur what is the benefit to her? She pays more to still not have more than a bedroom to herself.

ssd · 28/05/2024 23:13

The benefit is independence @Tumbleweed101

Antigny86 · 28/05/2024 23:40

CHIRIBAYA · 28/05/2024 14:35

'It's unlikely that those in leadership positiong can improve things'? What on earth are they doing in leardership positions then? So older generations are absolved from any responsibility for fixing things but perfectly happy to accrue the benefits that politically skewed agendas deliver to THEIR cohort? Sorry but it doesn't work like that. Societies fit for everyone to live in require responsibility from ALL its members, not disproporionate 'obligation' from Gen Z. How about this is a suggestion: all the pensioners who are going to benefit from the protection of the triple lock, at the very least ASK their election candidates what they are going to do for other generations? Collectively as a group they have clout so why not use it in service of interests other than their own? Wouldn't that be a simple way of improving things? & one can feel an exile in one's own country if you are ignored often enough.

Not all 'older' people are to blame for the ills in society, but it is so easy to casually lump them into one group isnt it? you cannot generalise and say that older people are doing nothing for the young, this is absolute nonsense.

CoatRack · 28/05/2024 23:53

Gobimanchurian · 28/05/2024 21:57

So many replies catastrophically missing the point.

Work hard, graduate (with 60k of debt compounding at 6% that you will re pay @ 9% of salary and will never be repaid) to get a job where your salary goes backwards in real terms, and house prices are 15 x average income. Taxes keep rising to keep pace with increasing weight of public service & the welfare state (a significant proportion of which is the state pension). Can't leave the country due to Brexit. That and the planet's fucked. Where are they supposed to find optimism from?

The social contact is broken.

Some houses are 15x average income.
The OP's son could buy right now if he really wanted to (though I'd suggest he waits until next year when the rates go down); he'd just have to leave whatever southern suburb he's currently occupying.

Also, Brexit stops you from leaving the country? Come on now.

SilentSilhouette · 29/05/2024 07:31

Whocanbelieveit · 28/05/2024 21:34

£110 to £130 wouldn’t even buy you a mobile home in my area!

Nor mine. Hence I said "many" areas but not all.

I'd have to move 20 miles away to find something for £110k! But then again, this exactly what my SIL did to buy a property.

greengreyblue · 04/07/2024 17:24

DD 20 has just announced she’s not voting. Her first chance to vote. So angry but not showing it so venting here.

greengreyblue · 04/07/2024 18:56

I’ve given her a kick up the backside and she came and voted .

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