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Grooming?

48 replies

Bella1965 · 21/05/2024 16:22

There is something bothering me and would welcome others opinions.
My brother is a bit of a conman, always on the make.

The issue I have is to do with his relationship with an elderly woman who is not connected to any of my family members.
I first heard of her a couple of years ago when said brother gave a Xmas present to my mother from her. I asked who she was and what was he doing with her etc. My mum said she was a woman that my brother looked after, doing her shopping for her but not taking any money from her. I asked my brother if this was true and he confirmed it. Knowing my brother, I asked him if he's in her will, he nodded with a smirk on his face.
Fast forward to the present, I met her for the first time a couple of days ago at a relatives funeral, I did not know who she was but we were seated together at the wake. I asked her how she knew my relative, she said she didn't know him as such but said she knew of him through my brother. I asked her name and how she knew my brother.
This is how the conversation went.
She was a customer of my brother but when her husband died my brother offered to 'help her'.
He offered to bring in her shopping every morning, she said she told him that wasn't necessary but he insisted. He drops off her shopping at 9am every morning, he picks her up at noon and takes her to his work place (he's self employed). She would be there until finishing time and then he would take her home. He also takes her for 'days out' when he's off work.
She has an indeph knowledge of my entire family, in fact, knows more about them than I do!
She is no fan of my brother's wife, whom she has not met. She was saying horrible things about her.
It was all deaply unsettling and creepy.
I cornered my brother and demanded to know what was going on.
He told me he is the woman's carer and her POA.
I have since been doing some digging, I have found out she is very affluent, has no children and one sibling.
I also found out that my brother owns a very large expensive house (brother moved years ago and I didn't know where to) and all of his children have trust funds - not bad for someone who claims to earn £23000 pa.
My first reaction is that he's scamming her, I was also angry at him doing so much for her when he did absolutely nothing for my late mother.
From the conversation that I had with her, my opinion is that she has been groomed for financial gain. This woman has full mental capacity, although she is frail.
Am I right in thinking this woman needs protecting by officials?

OP posts:
ManilowBarry · 21/05/2024 22:26

Why stick your beak in?

Jealousy much!

It's a mutual arrangement that benefits them both.

She's no victim. She's shrewd at dangling the inheritance carrot in front of him and he is taking a gamble with all of his time and effort which may end up with no result if her will actually leaves everything to the cats protection league!

Bella1965 · 22/05/2024 01:03

ManilowBarry · 21/05/2024 22:26

Why stick your beak in?

Jealousy much!

It's a mutual arrangement that benefits them both.

She's no victim. She's shrewd at dangling the inheritance carrot in front of him and he is taking a gamble with all of his time and effort which may end up with no result if her will actually leaves everything to the cats protection league!

Sorry if my morals offend you

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RecurringDecimal · 22/05/2024 07:37

Does he actually have convictions for fraud? Or even perhaps multiple complaints to the police that would have been recorded as crimes but perhaps not resulted in a prosecution.

If so he obviously isn't a suitable person to have power of attorney and you should inform the office of the public guardian.

m00ngirl · 22/05/2024 07:44

No idea what's going on with other posters (?!) but I am totally with you OP. It's very obvious what he's up to and it's disturbing and sickening to me. I don't know what you can do about it but I do know I wouldn't want someone like your brother in my life. Sorry to say that.

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:48

Bella1965 · 21/05/2024 22:19

What?
She had never met him

he had introduced this old lady and the deceased
he had presumably told the old lady about the funeral and no doubt transported her
so he didn’ t seem too bothered about her being kept away from his family 🤷

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:49

m00ngirl · 22/05/2024 07:44

No idea what's going on with other posters (?!) but I am totally with you OP. It's very obvious what he's up to and it's disturbing and sickening to me. I don't know what you can do about it but I do know I wouldn't want someone like your brother in my life. Sorry to say that.

For years he has transported her around and spent an enormous amount of time when a woman in full mental capacity who has very limited close family

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:50

and the OP’s other sibling sounds lovely 😆

m00ngirl · 22/05/2024 07:58

@paprikaforever you make it sound like he's a Good Samaritan. If he were doing it out the kindness of his heart, he wouldn't be edging himself into her will. If he were doing it as a job, he'd be on a wage. No - he's created a role in her life to cash in in quite a cold and calculating way by the sounds of it. Wouldn't want someone like that in my life.

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:59

m00ngirl · 22/05/2024 07:58

@paprikaforever you make it sound like he's a Good Samaritan. If he were doing it out the kindness of his heart, he wouldn't be edging himself into her will. If he were doing it as a job, he'd be on a wage. No - he's created a role in her life to cash in in quite a cold and calculating way by the sounds of it. Wouldn't want someone like that in my life.

Correct, he never invited any family to his house, he never brought his kids to visit my late parents. Although there was no falling out, our lives rarely crossed.

so not weird that he also has kept his family apart from her too

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 08:00

did not mean to quote you @m00ngirl

Onand · 22/05/2024 08:04

It’s the fact that she doesn’t have anything to do with his family which is rather odd to me OP.

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 08:05

Onand · 22/05/2024 08:04

It’s the fact that she doesn’t have anything to do with his family which is rather odd to me OP.

but his own parents don’t have anything to do with his family

Binman · 22/05/2024 08:12

Wow no wonder the elderly get financially abused. Having Mental Capacity doesn't mean you are not naïve or susceptible. Why does he have POA if she is all guns blazing, who arranged that?

If you are genuinely concerned, rather than curious, you have enough to report it to safeguarding. He has previous form for conning people, he is keeping it secret and already has control. Your other sibling is aware so your doubts are not unfounded but they want a share of the money so are happy to let it pass.

5128gap · 22/05/2024 08:35

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:49

For years he has transported her around and spent an enormous amount of time when a woman in full mental capacity who has very limited close family

So? The OP is worried that he is paying himself handsomely for this work, possibly unknown to the woman. With POA he could be quietly feathering his own nest without her consent. Given the OP has concerns already about her brothers track record, then I'm not sure why you feel so confident and heavily invested in persuading her he isn't doing anything wrong? You have no idea. Suspicions about elder abuse should always be reported. If there's nothing to see, nothing will be found, but better safe than sorry.

Bella1965 · 22/05/2024 12:37

The only factual thing you state is that he told her about the funeral.

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Bella1965 · 22/05/2024 12:44

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 07:59

Correct, he never invited any family to his house, he never brought his kids to visit my late parents. Although there was no falling out, our lives rarely crossed.

so not weird that he also has kept his family apart from her too

The difference is we know and have met his wife and kids, sent birthday /Xmas gifts. His Facebook page show pictures of his family. No mention of this women, even though he spends every day with her. No pictures of her and their days out together - nothing

OP posts:
Catapultaway · 22/05/2024 12:54

The stench of jealousy is overwhelming 😂

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 15:17

Catapultaway · 22/05/2024 12:54

The stench of jealousy is overwhelming 😂

exactly

the OP won’t get anywhere

Bella1965 · 22/05/2024 17:25

paprikaforever · 22/05/2024 08:05

but his own parents don’t have anything to do with his family

Both parents are dead. And they would have very much like to have seen their grandchildren when they were alive.
I really don't understand why you are being so supportive of my brother's actions - are you the same kind of person?

OP posts:
Bella1965 · 24/05/2024 16:50

Thanks for all the replies. I have completed the paperwork for the public guardian to investigate.

OP posts:
EC22 · 24/05/2024 16:56

Nothing in your OP sounds concerning.
You dislike your brother so view everything through that bias.

Bella1965 · 24/05/2024 17:45

EC22 · 24/05/2024 16:56

Nothing in your OP sounds concerning.
You dislike your brother so view everything through that bias.

Regardless of what you think it's now in the hands of the authorites.

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