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How much meat do you eat?

379 replies

lanya · 16/05/2024 16:01

Recently I've noticed in my circles that pretty much everyone is cutting back on meat due to environmental/ climate reasons.

Most people I know aren't vegetarian, but are more aware/ more careful about the amount they eat, e.g. only once or twice per week.

I am wondering whether this is the case generally across the UK, or if most people are carrying on as normal?

YABU: We are eating the same amount of meat as we always have.
YANBU: We have reduced our meat intake over the last few years for climate reasons.

Disclaimer: This isn't any kind of brag or meant to be condescending - I'm just curious.

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catlady7 · 16/05/2024 18:31

DaisyChain505 · 16/05/2024 18:04

Being proud because you don’t give a shit about animal cruelty isn’t something to gloat about.

If someone told you they saw someone kicking a dog outside would you tell them you didn’t want to hear it and that you weren’t willing to do anything about it? This is exactly the same as people telling you how cruel the meat and dairy industry is. The issue isn’t people telling you about it the issue is you blindly ignoring it.

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How am I being proud? Where have you got that from my comment.

I will not get told what to do. Thank you. Very much.

hopscotcher · 16/05/2024 18:35

Less than I used to. I've replaced it in a few things.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 16/05/2024 18:40

250g of chicken is roughly 60g protein. To get 60g protein from chickpeas I'd need to eat about 700g.

And chickpeas are one of the more protein dense non animal foods.

I aim for 120g protein daily, because that's what my body needs. I neither can manage eating 1400g chickpeas in a day nor wish to.

NoSquirrels · 16/05/2024 18:42

MotherOfCatBoy · 16/05/2024 17:29

Protein: rice & beans; chickpeas; hummus; yoghurt; nuts; nut butters; cheese; legumes…
Vitamins, calcium etc: dark leafy vegetables in general, eating a varied diet, plus a multi vitamin esp in the winter for vit D

A lot of plants worldwide, including the majority of soy, is grown to feed animals. It’s totally inefficient. If we wanted to feed 8b people we could, simply by cutting the animals out of the food chain. Those of you buying local meat, I applaud your intentions, but there isn’t enough land for all meat to be raised this way and for everyone to eat the quantity of meat society does now. The only way that is sustainable is fewer people, fewer meat meals, and fewer animals - which is how it used to be in the past before big ag conglomerates. Therefore reducing meat consumption goes hand in hand with local and sustainable - it’s a treat, not an everyday food. Remember your local meat has probably had supplementary feeding using plants grown abroad - certainly the case for beef and chicken (probably less for upland sheep). Reducing is the only way to go if we want less carbon, more wildlife, less chicken shit in our rivers, and fewer antibiotics driving resistance to bugs.

People who choose locally reared meat almost inevitably eat less of it, because it’s expensive (for all the reasons you list). So you don’t need to applaud our intentions - we’re actively doing what you propose for the reasons you outline.

I just think it’s a shame when people who eat a plant-based diet demonise any meat-eating at all. We do not all need to give up meat entirely to make a difference.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 16/05/2024 18:45

You are a judgemental arsehole

NoSquirrels · 16/05/2024 18:47

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 16:38

After it's dead? No. But you don't eat roadkill do you, you don't eat wild animals that just dropped dead. You specifically go out of your way to kill a sentient creature. Knowingly .

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Ha! You’ve never lived rurally where a roadkill pheasant is totally fair game. And humans have hunted for meat since forever. Yes, it’s going out of your way to kill a sentient creature. But I’m OK with that if the death is caused with as little suffering as possible. We don’t have to agree, though.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 16/05/2024 18:49

Vegetarian for 50+ years. No idea what meat or fish taste like.

MotherOfCatBoy · 16/05/2024 18:51

@NoSquirrels I think we’re agreeing!

I just want to emphasis that ethical, local meet is not a large scale option. It is a small scale option, which I think is what you’re saying too. Just as long as everyone realises that as the quality increases, the sheer quantity has to come down.

NoSquirrels · 16/05/2024 18:57

Yes, we are agreeing @MotherOfCatBoy Grin

Most of what’s wrong with pretty much everything in terms of global food production is because we’ve industrialised and set up very efficient but disastrously ecologically-unsound processes, each one having a knock-on effect on something else. If we all ate more locally and sustainably, back to the days when meat was a treat, not a right, and so every part of an animal was appreciated and utilised, we’d all be much better off.

Unforgettablefire · 16/05/2024 19:04

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 16:37

My meat/fish intake remains pretty much the same over the last few years. Sometimes, I have a meat free day - not planned but just happens on what I fancy. Like today - breakfast - cereal, lunch - cheese and crackers. Evening meal - gnocchi with salad.

I was a vegetarian for about 9 months aged 16-17 and even with extra vitamins, I felt tired, prone to colds and not with it. After introducing meat back into my diet gradually - a ham sandwich upwards. Within a few weeks I was back to myself. From what I remember vegetarians lack in iron which helps pump oxygen around your blood.

Notice past couple of years Veganary isn't a big thing anymore as we get more vegan stuff in January and as a code checker, reduce more of this. Is it the price? Is it the minging looking meat alternatives? Veggie bacon looks minging.

Depends on what you like, everyone has different tastes I love all the veggie stuff including the bacon, you say minging like it's an insult and you're defensive well it must sell or it wouldn't be on the shelves.
Some of us find slabs of bloody flesh on the shelves minging but each to their own.

Do you not find worms in just about every fish minging?

lanya · 16/05/2024 19:07

@NoSquirrels @MotherOfCatBoy
Anyone making efforts to eat locally sourced meat and/ or eat more vegetarian/ non-dairy foods (even if they are imported) is making a positive impact, compared to those who eat supermarket meats multiple times per week. You're both doing great - carry on please! :)

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Jellyx · 16/05/2024 19:07

What about all the crop fields that destroy some other animals habitats?

Or the airmiles on your avocados or almonds?

Maybe buy from local farms only?

I love meat - because I think it's healthy (non processed).

EndoEnd · 16/05/2024 19:08

KnittedCardi · 16/05/2024 16:17

Furthermore, numerous other plant-based foods are rich in protein. Legumes like lentils, chickpeas, and various types of beans not only pack a substantial protein punch but are also rich in fiber and other nutrients. Tofu, tempeh, and edamame, all derived from soybeans, are among the richest plant-based protein sources and can easily rival the protein content in meats. Seeds and nuts, along with their butters, are not only versatile and delicious but also excellent protein sources

All very laudable, but none grown in the UK, therefore not seasonable nor sustainable. We need to move towards a more homegrown diet, and that includes meat, as much of the land in the UK is only suitable for grazing.

In fact, you can grown edamame, lentils and chickpeas in the UK.

lanya · 16/05/2024 19:08

Jellyx · 16/05/2024 19:07

What about all the crop fields that destroy some other animals habitats?

Or the airmiles on your avocados or almonds?

Maybe buy from local farms only?

I love meat - because I think it's healthy (non processed).

It is true about those two issues you mention, but both are minimal in comparison to the impact of meat.

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DaisyChain505 · 16/05/2024 19:11

catlady7 · 16/05/2024 18:31

How am I being proud? Where have you got that from my comment.

I will not get told what to do. Thank you. Very much.

You’re saying you won’t be told what to do as if you’re a child being told to go to bed.

Youre an adult who is being told about the horrific cruelty to animals yet saying basically you don’t care because someone is telling you and you’ll just keep on being complicit to the abuse?

Onelifeonly · 16/05/2024 19:11

I've always liked vegetarian and vegan food. If I was single, I'd eat it more often. But as a family we have cut down, especially on red meat, but mainly for health reasons, though environmental concerns play a part too.

lanya · 16/05/2024 19:12

@DaisyChain505 I don't think there is any point in you trying to hammer home a point with someone who is obviously committed to eating meat. You cannot change everyone's minds.

Your efforts might be better spent with people more open to change.

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Jk987 · 16/05/2024 19:13

Reduced definitely. I could happily be vegetarian.

AmpleFatball · 16/05/2024 19:18

I’ve been vegetarian for a few years and have cut down on dairy (no milk, no fresh eggs, less cheese) but haven’t transitioned to vegan (yet, at least).

caringcarer · 16/05/2024 19:21

Me and ds eat meat for my main meal virtually every day. I also eat a cooked breakfast most days so 1/2 fat sausages and bacon too. DH is vegetarian though.

Mygliderdoesaloop · 16/05/2024 19:31

Everyday pretty much. Meat or fish.

I had sausages for lunch today.

Had chicken Monday and Tuesday. Probably have beef mince tomorrow.

Meat is probably my favourite food esp on the bone!

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 19:34

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 16:39

Thatjust means you ate really poor meals - not that you need meat

I had variety of meals. Loads of veg and pulses, grains, pulses. There’s very few vegetables I don’t like - savoy cabbage, spring greens. Took extra iron. Still was ill.

Yet knew of someone who only ate potatoes, carrots and I think peas and she is a veggie and always had colds

notedbiscuits · 16/05/2024 19:36

Want to be veggie but roast beef and smoked salmon are my downfalls

Kalevala · 16/05/2024 19:39

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 16:06

Adopting a vegan lifestyle isn’t just about diet; it’s about taking a stand against the cruelty inflicted on animals in the food industry. It’s heartbreaking to learn about the conditions animals endure—overcrowded, unnatural living spaces, and often cruel handling. These practices are not only unethical but completely unnecessary. As a human, I believe in defending the vulnerable and speaking out against injustice, and the treatment of animals in much of the food industry is just that. By choosing veganism, I refuse to support such despicable practices. It’s a way to demand better treatment for animals and promote a kinder industry.

I mostly eat wild venison, and some local ex dairy beef.

Whereinharrogate · 16/05/2024 19:43

Reduced due to cost, I think we eat meat about 3x per week, then fish or veggie the other 4. Although cost is the reason the other benefits (health, environment) are a nice side bonus!