What do you think re 6 months suspension??

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What do you guys thinks?

AIBU = You agree with the suspension handed out

AINBU = You agree that the punishment should have been a bit harsher

Yes, people do do things that they later regret but as I read the article, I felt the 6 months suspension is inappropriate, IMO

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13415375/Navy-surgeon-operated-12-year-olds-penis-without-consent-carrying-hernia-procedure-didnt-look-normal-suspended-six-months.html

Was what he did necessary? If it was he saved another separate operation. But he really shouldn't have done a totally unrelated op without consent. And I don't know how dangerous or what side effects could have happened due to the extra surgery.

I've signed a pretty much blank cheque before an op because they didn't know how bad it would be when they got in there and there could have been other major things to fix, but they would have all been associated with the terrible pain I was in at the time.

Did he need to see the boys penis whilst doing the other operation? Would the child have been naked from the waist down?

He was having a nosy at the boys body (for what reason?) and decided to do another procedure, without further tests, or consent, while he was there anyways?

He shouldn't be allowed to operate again.

he should of gotten permission however dh had unbiblical hernia surgery last year and he had to go in naked from the waist down incase they also found a hernia in his groin. So presumably when doing hernia surgery on males they check all areas of which the parents should have been aware of.

Im conflicted basically the doctor fixed everything and made it so only one surgery was required and based on dh’s recent surgery was informed they check and thus is no pants. But for some reason these parents were not made aware and so of course any kind of consent couldn’t be given. But then as a parent I think I’d be grateful my
child have to go under again.

He has a god complex and obviously thinks he is above ethical codes of practise. It should have been more than a 6 month suspension

IMO, in any other profession, it would have been seen as 'gross misconduct' and you're fired.

I guess the investigation board have the full info and the press report posts the worst bits

According to the article - 'Cdr Lambert was refused consent by Patient A and his parents on two separate occasions.
'It noted [by the tribunal] that the procedure was not urgent and [Cdr] Lambert could have waited to ensure that he obtained parental consent without posing any risk to the patient.'

Therefore he is a risk to patients and is not to be trusted. 6 months suspension is not enough imo. He should be struck off.

Well In That case his a grade A dick. Consent was refused.

You don't just start altering parts of people's bodies. You do the surgery you're supposed to and leave the rest of it alone. What if the kid was happy with his penis the way it was?!

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Many thanks - I missed that. For this reason, he should be sacked.

Can anyone explain what was wrong with the boys Penis and is his Penis still functional?

Don't be ridiculous, he wasn't having a nosey

In an 'inappropriate' comment explaining his actions afterwards, he said: '....because I am a bit of a nosey t* I noticed that [Patient A]'s penis did not look quite normal'

He was.

I had a hernia op last year. That region is visible…🙄

he released a foreskin adhesion I believe

If he did it against the express consent of the parents, he should not be allowed to operate again. 6 months sounds lenient based only what’s in that article, there don’t appear to be mitigating circumstances (ie it became medically necessary during the hernia op to do so).

He sounds like he’s full of himself. A quick phone call to the parents ‘I’ve found xyz and can fix it now, do I have your permission?’ was all that was required if he wanted to fast track the procedure, and bend the rules in doing so.

He didn't have consent, that is the be all and end all of the argument for me. No consent no procedure. Is he like this in all walks of life? "I know she said no but I was there anyway and well...."

Terrible. He should be banned from medicine forever

Surely this is sexual assault? How would he like someone to mess about with his penis when he's unconscious and hadn't consented.

Poor boy.

He should be struck off.

The parents and child had already refused the surgery twice. He had no business carrying out a non emergency surgery without the permission of parents and child. He deserves what he got. He had previously been in trouble for being abusive, so he has form for being God.

Serious legal ramifications to operating without consent.

Sorry also meant to say, I'm not sure if he actually circumsised the patient, I know if the foreskin is stuck other treatment is tried first, non surgical treatment, so basically he could have circumcised the patient when the boy didn't want that. ( my nephew had a similar problem and circumcision was the last resort after other treatment failed).

One of the [many] things that come to mind is the culture within that theatre. Doing a procedure that isn’t in the consent form and hasn’t been discussed as part of the surgical plan, is usually discussed. Scrub nurses can and have challenged when things have deviated from normal, anaesthetists have a say, everyone comes to an agreement and things proceed (or not as the case may be).

Hell I’ve had to ring down to paeds to see if mom was happy for me to trim the other toenails during an in growing toenail removal as it wasn’t on the consent form and hadn’t been discussed!

the fact that it took parents complaining to bring this light is concerning to the general atmosphere in theatre and the potential attitude he has towards staff.

Great post and you've hit the nail on the head