Possible Breach Of Bail/Non Mol

[MulliganOne]

Hi all,

NC for this. I know it's not an AIBU topic but I desperately need some advice, so posting here for traffic. Sorry if this is long, I don't want to drop feed any info.

Could anyone who has non mol/bail condition knowledge help me with some advice please?

Ive have been made aware by my DGP that there was an incident over the weekend at their address involving an ex I have a 12 month non mol and current bail restrictions on.

He was caught standing outside, staring at DGP address for a period of time over the weekend. He was allegedly very drunk. When asked to leave by my DB he got aggressively in his face called us all c*nts and said we needed to watch our backs. He also stated he was "after" my DGD, it's not clear if it was to talk to my DGD or to actually assault him.

I wasn't present at this time as i was at work so havent actually seen DGP until today, but there address is somewhere I obviously go to regularly. Is this worth logging with police? Does anyone know if this will be covered somewhere as a breach of anything?

His bail restrictions are specific to stalking behaviours and are due to end on sunday 19th, yesterday police called to tell me they won't be extending them further due to no breaches and my non mol covers me until next march. Annoyingly I didn't have this information to give them yesterday and am worried its going to look suspicious or a malicious attempt to try to get them to extend things but its really worrying me that his behaviour is starting up again only 1 week before his bail ends.

Bumping for you. Sorry don’t have answer apart from you appear to have multiple witnesses so can’t see how it would look malicious.

Definitely worrying and the police will take it seriously. Whether or not its a breach will depend on the specific wording of the court order and bail conditions. If he is preventing from attending that address or contacting your family.

Why are the bail conditions due to end on Sunday? Is there still an investigation ongoing?

Let the police know what happened and get your DB to make a statement.

So he’s subject to both bail conditions and a non mol? It really depends what the bail conditions were and what the non mol actual says it prohibits. If the non mol covers you - you should have a copy of the order - you need to read the conditions that were imposed and see if he broke them

If in doubt speak to the Police. They'll check the wording on the bail conditions. Unfortunately by the sound of it he hasn't breached them. Clearly it was to intimidate you but the fact it wasn't your house & you weren't mentioned in the threats he probably hasn't breached anything

It might be enough to get the conditions extended though. Definitely get advice from the Police. Although he hasn't breached bail, his behaviour might be enough for other charges 🤞🏻

Both the non mol and bail are currently still active. Both orders appear to specifically state only attempts directly involving me. I.e instructing someone to talk or relay messages to me, harass or intimidate me directly and indirectly, attend my street, etc. It's obviously not clear if this was his intentions or if he was simply threatening my family, which it appears is a clause he is allowed to do.

However my non mol specifically states he is not to attend an address he knows that I may or will be at.

Police stated his bail will end on 19th, with the investigation continuing in the background because he hasn't, to date, breached any outstanding conditions and I'm also covered by the non mol being in place. The non mol is active until march 2025.

He's almost certainly breeched it on the grounds of both indirect harassment/intimidation and attending an address where you may be. He's basically gone there as a way of reminding you that he's around, he hasn't forgotten you and he's waiting. It's intimidating.

Report the fucker.

I would lig it and ask DGP to give a statement to log it as well.

You absolutely must go to the police with this. It's up to them to decide whether it's a breach or not. You've got your DB as a witness, and your DGP too (is that grandparents?)

100% call the police right now and get it reported.

He went there because of you, no other reason. It was a breach.

This...

Unless you live at Tesco and he was there for a valid reason...

The officer in charge has just called me back, she said she's not concerned as there has been no intend towards me directly or indirectly. She said to just get my grandparents to report it as a public order offence if its bothered us that much but apparently he's basically done nothing wrong.