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To send the card back?

19 replies

klopp · 12/05/2024 08:31

My wife and I have not been in contact with my parents since last year. My mother has narcissistic traits and very toxic ways, dad is/was a nice person but has now been completely brainwashed and doesn't stop her in her path of destruction.

The no contact came after years and years of adult manipulation, guilt tripping, you name it. Also the realisation that I'd been emotionally and mentally abused from a child. Having a family of my own together with my wife showed me how toxic the parent/child relationship was and continued to be.

I have a brother, whom has a very enmeshed relationship with our mother. She has caused his marriage to fail, along with my fathers enabling and my brothers inability to stand by his wife. She put so much pressure on them. He's now become someone who fishes with us on my mother's behalf and it makes us very uncomfortable. I am the other son, I've always been less thought of. However, I saw a change in this when I had children. My mother's ways worsened, she had an obsession with them; and not a healthy one. It would be only for herself, to show and tell the babies rather than for any genuine reason. The obsession brought demands and entitled behaviour about my wife and I's children. She began to try and play my wife and I against one another behind our backs, it was really effecting my wife's mental health and I became angry and even anxious in anticipation of my own parents coming to visit. She would come and insult my wife shortly after birth, and never fail to make every occasion about herself. She dampened our happiest moments and I foresaw her aiming to repeat history with our marriage too.

I say all of this for some context for advice on what to do, however, as you can imagine I am simply scratching the surface here. We have not been in contact for 8 months now. This came after I informed my mother than I did not want her ways around me and my family and I didn't want to see her. She is not respecting this decision. She sent the children cards for Christmas, then she sent cards and money for Easter (posted by my brother). I returned this through the letterbox as I didn't want her to think I'd accepted money from them. This morning, I've received a card with money in it for my birthday. This time it had been posted by stamp from the nearest post office which is about half a mile away. Each time brings a new mind game, it seems. She's also text me to wish me a happy birthday. This has the opposite effect for me. It causes my wife and I stress. Having known all of what she's done, she's not taken any steps to apologise and thinks sending a card will suffice to claw us back. I note it's irreparable and my mother's not said a single sorry in her life so I didn't expect one but it's blatant disrespect of our wishes and bolshiness.

In terms of the card, I understand that returning the card could be us reacting to her? But I also don't wish to keep the money from her as that gives her opportunity to take the view that the money was good enough and she will keep trying to send it in future. I have considered returning with a note inside to explicitly say not to contact us again. When I told her how I felt previously I believe I had worded it that I didn't want to see her or have her around my children. I'm not sure it was black and white enough for her. Is the 8 months that have passed sufficient to assume contact is unwanted?? For the normal person, I think so, but I'm not sure it applies for her. This is something I want to be clear on as if this continues I feel it is harassing and I want to protect my family from the anxiety it causes. How do I make it stop? Sounds extreme but do I take steps for her to be legally warned not to contact us?

I would be extremely grateful for some guidance from anyone in a similar position or if you have knowledge on how to deal with someone toxic in this way. It is a difficult call. Appreciate it.

OP posts:
Cityandmakeup · 12/05/2024 08:33

Ignore

Mannyshy · 12/05/2024 08:37

Post it back with a note saying do not contact me, do not post anything to me, leave me alone.

Irishmama100 · 12/05/2024 08:39

I totally understand how this is so annoying. Send it back with a note stating do not contact again and any further contact will be deemed harassment.

bradpittsbathwater · 12/05/2024 08:39

Just keep returning unopened.

IncompleteSenten · 12/05/2024 08:40

Every time you send it back you are giving her contact with you and a reaction.
If it was me I would put the card in the bin and donate the money to charity and not respond to her in any way. I'd keep the receipts for the donations though for when she sent in her flying monkeys to waawaa about how you take her money but won't talk to her. It's good to have a plan.

Because I'm a bitch, I'd donate it all to a charity I knew she would absolutely hate.

klopp · 12/05/2024 08:42

I forgot to say she had someone else to write on the envelope so we wouldn't recognise her writing when it arrived

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ZekeZeke · 12/05/2024 08:42
  1. Block her number (and anyone else you don't want to speak/deal with)
  2. Donate the money to charity -do something good with it or
  3. If she detests a particular thing use the money for that and be happy.
PatchworkElmer · 12/05/2024 08:43

We’re in a similar position and just ignore it. Cards/ gifts for DC go into a box for them to have when they’re older if they want them. Fortunately DH and I have not been sent money, just cards. FYI, we also had to cut ties with siblings as they behaved similarly- look up ‘flying monkeys’ in the context of abusers, it sounds like your brother is doing this.

My friend has also experienced this kind of issue and went the more official route, warning her parents to stop contact including cards and gifts, and then reported to the police when it continued. She was told that her parents had received a visit from community officers and she hasn’t heard anything from them since.

gamerchick · 12/05/2024 08:46

The problem is, by returning the cards is getting a reaction and feeding the energy that goes into chipping away the peace of mind.

Bin the cards and donate the money. Channel it into some good energy. I'm NC with my mother, it's better that way. But stuff like cards and money I just don't let it sit on my radar. It just feeds the bad feelings.

WinterTreacle · 12/05/2024 08:47

Just donate the money but keep a record of it and ignore. Block the number on your phone too.

Mannyshy · 12/05/2024 08:48

I have to return it, contact or not. Because by ignoring she thinks you've accepted it. I couldn't have her thinking that.

ridingfreely · 12/05/2024 09:01

We also receive post from narcissistic MIL for DD and DH (never for me, another mind game)

We used to throw it away. Now DD is older we let her open it as I'll be dammed if us holding her cards and gifts back one day comes back on us and we are seen as the baddies for withholding them - which I'm sure is what MIL intends as the longer game plan

DH discards his, if we knew her address we still wouldn't post it back. DH is convinced that action would give her the satisfaction that she has 'got to him' and would feed into her escalating behaviours beyond a posted card at some point.

Ingnor. Spend it on mundane things like the food shop and think no more of it or donate

You have my sympathy narcissistic parents are hard work

Listengold · 12/05/2024 09:56

Drastic but can you move and don't tell anyone your new address.

Fluffygoon · 12/05/2024 10:10

Firstly, well done for taking control, supporting your wife and protecting your children. Narc dynamics are so so damaging and there’s such a pattern to the behaviour.

My DH was the scapegoat with youngest sister on a pedestal. We spent years crawling to be a part of the family but when we had DC the behaviour became so sociopathic we had to severely contact.

With cards I wouldn’t send them back as that is engaging with her and feeding into the crazy - ignore; reframe the cash as compensation rather than a gift.

Whisperingsummerishere · 12/05/2024 10:10

Buy groceries and pop them all in the food bank. Do not reply. Being ignored is a great message in itself.

OmuraWhale · 12/05/2024 10:12

I think better to ignore than return.

Megirlan123 · 12/05/2024 10:19

Do not return. Do not let her see you react in any way. Its up to you what you do with the money. Maybe charity is a good idea.

sunflowerfan · 12/05/2024 10:20

I would return it one more time with a note saying anything received in the future will be put in the bin unopened.

Returning each time means she is forcing you to engage with her.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/05/2024 10:27

It really depends if this money and card has strings attached to it. I send my nieces birthday and Christmas cards with money in even though I'm
estranged from their parent. I hear this isn’t well received, but I don’t plan on stopping as there are no strings I would be delighted if my sibling would do the same for their relatives, but they have chosen not to. It’s definitely murky water and I can honestly see both sides. For me I want to leave the door open for the cousins later on. For my sibling they want to slam the door shut.

In your situation though it seems as though this is much more toxic. I agree that you putting in the work to send the card back is almost empowering your mother further. The thing to do for me would be to put the money in a separate account for the kids. If she ever tried to throw it back on my face down the line I could tell her exactly how much she had sent and that I was very happy to transfer the money back to her.

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