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To expect fat nurses to have some insight?.

755 replies

Vikingess · 07/05/2024 21:26

Just had a routine health check today at my GP surgery. Two nurses - both considerably overweight - dispensing advice on diet. I
am not overweight -AIBU to expect health professionals to demonstrate the the standards they recommended or at least admit to falling short.

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Hollysberries · 08/05/2024 09:19

NewOrder · 08/05/2024 09:17

Ok so we need to add more to the list of things fat people can’t do

we can’t be confident
we can’t wear nice clothes
we can’t exercise
we can’t work in healthcare

Comments like this just don't help.

Is that your own view or something you've made up for the sake of being contentious?

Being fat is unhealthy and it's time it was called out far more than it is. Doctors are told not to upset patients by drawing attention to their weight.
Right, just let them carry on until they turn up diabetic, with heart disease or worse.

FuckTheClubUp · 08/05/2024 09:20

changingchaali · 08/05/2024 00:26

@FuckTheClubUp - different subject but my Nan used to affectionately call me fatty boom boom when I was little. Thanks for this memory 😊

Aww that’s lovely! I’m glad that my comment brought this memory to mind x

BurnoutGP · 08/05/2024 09:21

Devilshands · 08/05/2024 08:58

If not wanting to take health advice from a hypocrite makes people a judgmental twat then that’s their choice tbh

A hypocrite?? Wow you're just a charmer. Maybe you should seek private healthcare where you can pick and choose your no doubt perfect in all ways HCP. Because the NHS is surely not for you.

FuckTheClubUp · 08/05/2024 09:22

TruthThatsHardAsSteel · 08/05/2024 03:39

Top marks for making me laugh with Fatty boom boom. I call our elderly cat this on a daily basis (thyroid problem which is managed by medication ). It was just somewhat unexpected 😁

I must admit, I do love that phrase! The thought of you calling your cat a fatty boom boom has really made me smile😆

BurnoutGP · 08/05/2024 09:23

I feel really sad that my hard work for almost 30 years to help my patients would be deemed unworthy/unreliable/untrustworthy and considered a hypocrite/fat/lazy/stupid because of my weight which torments me enough every day.
How has society sunk so far.

valensiwalensi · 08/05/2024 09:23

Hollysberries · 08/05/2024 09:19

Comments like this just don't help.

Is that your own view or something you've made up for the sake of being contentious?

Being fat is unhealthy and it's time it was called out far more than it is. Doctors are told not to upset patients by drawing attention to their weight.
Right, just let them carry on until they turn up diabetic, with heart disease or worse.

Newsflash: fat people know that they are fat. We have eyes. Our fat faces didn’t swallow our eyeballs.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 08/05/2024 09:24

Hollysberries · 08/05/2024 09:05

But someone who gives out 'advice' but clearly doesn't follow it themselves is on a sticky wicket, surely.

The people who need a wake up call are usually not getting it for fear of 'fat shaming'.

People who are clearly slim don't need advice as they're managing okay anyway.

Visibly slim does not mean you follow a healthy diet and lifestyle, hence why the nurse is absolutely correct to be giving medical advice!

also why do you need your professional to be following the advice? How does it impact you? I’m not going to go home and say, “right I will smoke now and eat junk food so I can obese like that random nurse I saw once and maybe will never see again”!

BurnoutGP · 08/05/2024 09:25

valensiwalensi · 08/05/2024 09:23

Newsflash: fat people know that they are fat. We have eyes. Our fat faces didn’t swallow our eyeballs.

Or our brains. Seriously "call it out" in what way??

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 08/05/2024 09:25

Vikingess · 07/05/2024 23:05

Worked in the NHS for many years and as a lone parent definitely did not have the money (or time) to go to the qym! I would call you out on healthy mealtime though. Live on lentil soup, strip fry, jacket spuds etc . All less than half an hour.

So you don't exercise and eat mostly carbs Confused

FuckTheClubUp · 08/05/2024 09:25

DreamBream234 · 08/05/2024 05:18

My friend is an overweight cardiologist and he does exactly this! He tells his patients to listen to the advice but he does acknowledge his own weight....

Surely you can see how not every health professional would feel comfortable acknowledging their weight?

Some may have an eating disorder (purging/non purging bulimia, binge eating disorder etc). Some may be dealing with grief, some may have mental health issues and some shock horror may just fucking love food.

I don’t see why they should have to acknowledge their weight to a patient when their role is to provide healthcare

SmileyClare · 08/05/2024 09:27

I’m sure the irony isn’t lost on the fat nurses!

They probably feel mortified having to give out dietary advice and deeply embarrassed about their own size.

That doesn’t invalidate the advice- it just shows you how difficult it is to follow!

123anotherday · 08/05/2024 09:27

i think sadly it shows how challenging tackling obesity is, nhs staff are no less vulnerable to societal problems .....the need for bariatric beds, commodes, zimmer frames etc has increased massively in the past 20 years so its a real problem for staff working in manual handling roles. I likewise worked in nhs for many years and smoking was a real problem amongst nursing staff in particular,shift work and stressful jobs have a real impact on peoples choices. Not to mention alcohol and drug abuse! I always thought when you see first hand people dying horrible deaths from lifestyle inflicted illnesses it would change your mindset but sadly not!

Theordinary · 08/05/2024 09:28

Dietary advice isn't just for overweight people though is it? Everyone regardless of weight should understand a healthy diet and lifestyle. Slim people can suffer the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle even if it doesn't show on the outside. The nurses are humans beings, not robots. I'm a nurse and although not overweight, do not always follow the health guidelines to the letter just like almost everyone else. It has no bearing on how I do my job though. It would be quite unprofessional for me to announce my own shortcomings before I give a patient any health advice wouldn't it?

ClareBlue · 08/05/2024 09:28

Yes, they are qualified to give the advise but they give the message that it is so unimportant I don't follow it myself. Obviously there might well be other issues, but it's the message it gives out.
There is a credibility issue with issuing advice when the person issuing it is not, on the face of it, following it.
Person running smoking cessation courses nipping out for a smoke, is that acceptable.
Alcohol dependency clinics run by hung over people. There is a credibility for the health professional around issuing health advice, rightly or wrongly.

Delatron · 08/05/2024 09:29

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 08/05/2024 09:24

Visibly slim does not mean you follow a healthy diet and lifestyle, hence why the nurse is absolutely correct to be giving medical advice!

also why do you need your professional to be following the advice? How does it impact you? I’m not going to go home and say, “right I will smoke now and eat junk food so I can obese like that random nurse I saw once and maybe will never see again”!

Edited

A few quick questions about the OP’s diet and exercise would quickly establish whether she needed the (basic) NHS advice.

newnamenellie · 08/05/2024 09:29

Totally agree OP - practice what you preach!

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/05/2024 09:30

I'd far rather hear that from an overweight nurse (who'd I'd expect to be understanding) than a skinny malinky who is unlikely to understand.

Delatron · 08/05/2024 09:32

Theordinary · 08/05/2024 09:28

Dietary advice isn't just for overweight people though is it? Everyone regardless of weight should understand a healthy diet and lifestyle. Slim people can suffer the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle even if it doesn't show on the outside. The nurses are humans beings, not robots. I'm a nurse and although not overweight, do not always follow the health guidelines to the letter just like almost everyone else. It has no bearing on how I do my job though. It would be quite unprofessional for me to announce my own shortcomings before I give a patient any health advice wouldn't it?

But lots of people are probably more clued up on diet and lifestyle than the nurse. They are not qualified dieticians. It’s also not a one size fits all prescription. They are wasting valuable time and probably annoying people giving out basic one sizes fits all advice to people who probably don’t need it. The appointment could have been better spent on otherwise things

Funkyslippers · 08/05/2024 09:35

Jellycatspyjamas · 07/05/2024 21:41

You wouldn’t go to a hairdresser who had bad hair, would you?

I’ve seen a fair few hairdressers with their hair scraped back looking far from best - I just assume lack of time rather than lack of knowledge or ability.

My hairdresser's hair is always scraped back & looks quite unflattering in her but she's a fantastic hairdresser & lovely person

ohfook · 08/05/2024 09:37

I had GD a while back and had to go on a sort of course rang by the diabetes midwives.

They were very honest about the fact that they worked long days and when they were on their their break or at the end of a long shift they grabbed something quick and easy to eat - in their words 'cheap carbs'.

I quite liked their honesty and their understanding of the factors at play that make you choose less than healthy options.

HollyKnight · 08/05/2024 09:38

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/05/2024 09:30

I'd far rather hear that from an overweight nurse (who'd I'd expect to be understanding) than a skinny malinky who is unlikely to understand.

Same. As someone overweight, I hate having the slim nurses at my GP practice talk to me about my weight. I imagine they are judging me as greedy and lazy because, let's be honest, people who have never struggled with their weight don't have much empathy or understanding for those who do. Mumsnet shows that nearly every day. Being shamed doesn't inspire anyone to lose weight.

9outof10cats · 08/05/2024 09:40

My experience as an HCP is that the majority of people will get offended when given lifestyle advice regardless of whether you are the epitome of healthy living or a couch potato.

In what context were they offering dietary advice? If you have a condition that is caused or made worse by a poor diet then HCP'S have a duty of care to advise in that area. You can take the advice or ignore it. But to be offended seems odd considering the advice is for your benefit and something that could improve/prolong your life.

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 09:40

Vikingess · 07/05/2024 21:26

Just had a routine health check today at my GP surgery. Two nurses - both considerably overweight - dispensing advice on diet. I
am not overweight -AIBU to expect health professionals to demonstrate the the standards they recommended or at least admit to falling short.

You have no right to their private health information, including their weight and any reasons for that.

You went to the appointment for a health check. You got a health check. That's it. Nobody needs to 'admit' anything to you, and the fact you're posting about them and their perceived 'falling short' speaks volumes.

zendeveloper · 08/05/2024 09:40

andymary · 08/05/2024 08:53

YABU. They would have gone through studies and training in order to give you that information. What they do in their own time is up to them.

Would you expect an assistant in a supermarket to have ate all the food in order to give you advice on the nicest products?
Would you expect an assistant in Currys to have personally used every washing machine?
Would you expect a PT in a gym to do the same routine that they teach you?
Does someone who work in a bank mean that they're good with money themselves and have hundreds of thousands in savings?
Would you expect a cleaner to have a pristine home themselves?
Would you expect someone who works as a maid in a hotel to make their own bed every morning to the same hotel standards?

No, no, no, no, no, no.

But at least some of these are indeed true. A PT has to have personal experience with the exercise program they run with the client, and be able to demonstrate the correct form. There are credit checks for people before they are hired to work at bank, and you won't be able to get a job with credit issues.

Thegoodbadandugly · 08/05/2024 09:41

How do you know those nurses don't have health conditions that make them put weight on?

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