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To be annoyed a friend lied about their address on a school application to get into an oversubscribed school

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Liverpoollass2 · 05/05/2024 20:44

I've recently found out a friend has lied on their school application by using another family members address to get their child into an oversubscribed school. The school is one I would have considered but would have been unlikely to get in as its very popular. Friend lives quite far but plans to move within the next few years closer to the school so wants their child at the school now. Its just annoyed me as I know many people who didn't get a place who are more local and feels Iike friend is misusing the system. Friend was able to get a letter with their name on it at the address by signing up for a credit card/store card I believe. I know its none of my business but I just feel annoyed about it now

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Kalevala · 06/05/2024 10:13

MILLYmo0se · 06/05/2024 10:08

Don't they just accept alternative proof of your living situation? I'm not in the UK, but for something like that or if you were applying for benefits, an affidavit or proof of seperation, court or police records could all be included. You cant be given a school place based on the criteria of catchment and not expect to have to show some proof as to where you live, if they are just going to go by the fact you filled xyz out on your application form then I guess you just count yourself as being very lucky!

We had the address on a letter from the GP. But LA's requiring you be paying council tax or household bills? We had none of those as it wasn't our own home. Can they view the electoral register if you are not on the open one?

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/05/2024 10:15

prh47bridge · 06/05/2024 09:54

I'm guessing you are in Wales and this is a faith school? That would explain the lack of any mention of LAC, although there is likely to be a note that says LAC are given priority in the category in which they fall. The rules on LAC are different in Wales to those in England.

Pp claims this is a borough of London... 🤷‍♀️

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:19

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Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:20

LlynTegid · 06/05/2024 10:13

So why have you condoned this and done nothing about it?

It’s called minding your own business

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:22

Kalevala · 06/05/2024 10:07

It's relevant because the harder they crack down on people who lie, the harder it will hit struggling families in difficult situations too.

Why? Those families will be perfectly able to explain their situations.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 06/05/2024 10:23

@LlynTegid nothing to do with me, it's a flawed system. The school knows what's happened, so why doesn't the school do something about it?!

godmum56 · 06/05/2024 10:23

Liverpoollass2 · 05/05/2024 20:52

I don't know if I could actually report them, i would feel too guilty, would love them to be caught out

If you know and don't report. you are colluding.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:24

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:20

It’s called minding your own business

Some of us have a social conscience, that's a good thing. Would you ignore other wrongdoings you knew about?

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:28

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:24

Some of us have a social conscience, that's a good thing. Would you ignore other wrongdoings you knew about?

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we are not talking about other wrong doings so stick to the thread …it’s hardly crime of the century…are you one of them perfect people who never do anything wrong my oh my ….I would NOT like I said be jealous of a FRIEND OK

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:29

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Er this is her so called friend …who needs enemies

Kalevala · 06/05/2024 10:30

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:22

Why? Those families will be perfectly able to explain their situations.

So they will take people at their word? I'm not in one of these LA's, but hearing of all these checks would have caused a lot of anxiety if we had been. Likewise, family have been lucky that we have many undersubscribed schools, some children only move into an area in the summer before school.

MJCadman · 06/05/2024 10:35

Our school is

catchment with sibling
Catchment
sibling

prh47bridge · 06/05/2024 10:35

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/05/2024 10:15

Pp claims this is a borough of London... 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I can see a poster claiming that, and that is clearly wrong for a state school in London. However, OP doesn't say where she is. The criteria she quotes look very much like the kind of thing you see from faith schools in Wales.

MJCadman · 06/05/2024 10:39

We were 8th on the waiting list. I know someone who was 1st. I knew some who used their parents addresses so if there were more they could have actually taken my kids place.

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/05/2024 10:44

MJCadman · 06/05/2024 10:35

Our school is

catchment with sibling
Catchment
sibling

Your English state funded school?

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:45

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:28

we are not talking about other wrong doings so stick to the thread …it’s hardly crime of the century…are you one of them perfect people who never do anything wrong my oh my ….I would NOT like I said be jealous of a FRIEND OK

Yes, I'm a perfect person!

What a stupid conclusion to draw ftom the fact that I think it's best for society as a whole if people play by the rules and don't turn a blind eye.

Rsorting to shouty capitals really isn't necessary and discussions can be extended outside of the specific initial point

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/05/2024 10:46

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:20

It’s called minding your own business

Tell me you've fraudulently claimed a school place without telling me you've fraudulently claimed a school place 🤣

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:46

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:45

Yes, I'm a perfect person!

What a stupid conclusion to draw ftom the fact that I think it's best for society as a whole if people play by the rules and don't turn a blind eye.

Rsorting to shouty capitals really isn't necessary and discussions can be extended outside of the specific initial point

And I find your post of insinuating I’m an idiot insulting …consider it reported

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:47

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:46

And I find your post of insinuating I’m an idiot insulting …consider it reported

And that in its self tells everyone you are far from perfect insulting ppl on a chat forum it’s disgusting

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:47

Kalevala · 06/05/2024 10:30

So they will take people at their word? I'm not in one of these LA's, but hearing of all these checks would have caused a lot of anxiety if we had been. Likewise, family have been lucky that we have many undersubscribed schools, some children only move into an area in the summer before school.

I'm not sure what you mean by take them at their word. Presumably the families fleeing violence or abuse live somewhere and can prove where that place is if necessary

The family the OP is talking about don't live where they say they do so not the same

Bellyblueboy · 06/05/2024 10:49

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/05/2024 10:46

Tell me you've fraudulently claimed a school place without telling me you've fraudulently claimed a school place 🤣

😂 Exactly what I was thinking. People who either do this or turn a blind eye don’t seem to consider the child who should have gotten into the school had someone else not cheated!

and what morals are bing instilled into these children who are taught to lie about where they live.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 10:50

Lovinglife57 · 06/05/2024 10:46

And I find your post of insinuating I’m an idiot insulting …consider it reported

Shall I just consider it or have you actually done it?

Snackarooney · 06/05/2024 10:51

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 06/05/2024 07:03

Why are you putting your child through all that when you could let the LA know there a possible admission fraud?

Wishy washy meant to be nonsense is letting your child down and making your life miserable, just why?

Listen I absolutely do not let my children down at all.

I fight for my children every single day. He's OK with the school he's been allocated he'd rather the other but is OK and says it's worth a try and he'd like me to appeal but he won't be heartbroken if he doesn't get it. A child that's been bullied right through primary school who's just excited to make friends and have a clean slate which will happen either way and if he's not happy then we take him out of school.

I'm doing what MY child wants me to do. There's 5 schools bearer than the one he's been allocated that he absolutely hands diwn refused to even entertain so if I was letting him diwn I'd let him go to any old school and not give a shit about his feelings or needs.

We're 19 on the waiting list for the school we are appealing. Getting her thrown out of the school doesnt help me because there's 18 people infront who aren't my problem to be quite honest. If he was 1st on the waiting list and desperate to go there I might consider it

Otherstories2002 · 06/05/2024 10:51

Mnetcurious · 06/05/2024 08:41

Op said they used a family member’s address so I guess they would arrange with the family member about staging a home visit there.

They would see straight through it. It happens a lot.

MJCadman · 06/05/2024 10:52

@Lovinglife57

Yes someone said siblings is always number 1.