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.... to be upset and disappointed with friends for buying from unscrupulous breeder..... TWICE!!?

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IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 10:53

I have a friend (Mary) who had a really tough year last year - DV, homelessness, long term sickness etc. I don't live near her, we see each other very occasionally and our friendship is very much conducted through telephone/ WhatsApp. Anyway, long story short, Mary and her DD (13) ended up moving in with my friend's other friend, let's call her Jane, who lives in the same town as Mary. I'm not keen on Jane (think strong and unpopular religious views, very opinionated, very clingy), and I believe she took massive advantage of Mary whilst she was at her most vulnerable lowest ebb (she would get Mary to pay for all her shopping for her family (DH &2DD's) - £300/week!!, get her to pay for all the pet care (food, cat litter, vet's bills etc), get her to provide childcare as and when (whole weekends where she would spend the whole time in bed!).... just really very manipulative and exploitative.
Jane is the type of person who 'wants' things with no thought of what is required to look after them. For example, she 'wanted' a dog, so bought a fluffy, cute, adorable Alsation puppy. This was ok but puppies grow, and the dog had not been socialised or trained in any way, even house trained. At night it was locked in a cage in the kitchen in it's own excrement. In the day it was left alone in the back yard, barking and causing a nuisance. It was unruly and pulled on it's lead when walking and the children were scared of it. In the end they had to get rid of it.
Whilst Mary was there, Jane decided she wanted a new cat (she already has two she doesn't bother with - she makes her primary age kids clean out the litter tray and feed them cos she 'doesn't like the germs ' (more like can't be arsed)). They are house cats and spend all their time hiding. But Jane didn't want just any cat, she wanted a Maine Coon cat (one of the largest domestic breeds and around £800 - £1000 for a pure breed kitten. And Jane wanted it as a present from Mary. They searched on the Internet and found a 'breeder' who was selling Maine Coon kittens for £350 (🚩🚩🚩), so they went to have a look. Mary described this place as an animal farm..... there were tiny cages of cats and kittens locked up, rows and rows of tanks with various exotic pets, the whole place was dirty..... in all, it was clearly obvious that this 'breeder' had no interest in animal welfare, just ££'s. They ended up bringing home a tiny kitten, must have been about 6 weeks old.... not vaccinated, not wormed or de-fleaed and not microchipped. When Mary told me about this place, I expressed my disgust and told her that these horrific people only do what they do to meet demand, and if no one bought the animals, they wouldn't be able to exploit them in the way that they do. Mary agreed whole heartedly.... 'yes yes yes, I know, yes', and said that she had reported the breeder to the RSPCA and HMRC..... but justified buying the kitten by saying that Jane REALLY wanted one (the fact that she bought it is bad enough, but I'm also angry with Jane for making Mary (who was at the time homeless, on long term sick, earning SSP, with a daughter to provide for, needing to be saving every penny for the unknown), spend £350 on a gift for her at her insistence!).
Whist living at Jane's, Mary became very attached to the kitten and it followed her around everywhere. She took it to (and paid for) vet's checks and paid for its vaccination course (of which it only has the first one because Jane couldn't be bothered to take it for its second and now too much time has elapsed and the whole course needs to be started again). Surprise, surprise it isn't even a pure breed Maine Coon!
In February, Mary was housed with her DD in a neat little second floor flat. I was really pleased for her as she needed to be away from Jane and her some independence and her own space back. Mary, her DD and her two cats (not Jane's cats, but Mary's) moved in and she seemed in a better place mentally. Mary told me that she wanted to get another cat to cheer her DD up. After the bad breeder, and the fact she was unemployed by now, on benefits, I suggested that she look for a rescue cat that needed a new start as they were the most needy and would be the best thing to do. She agreed fully and a couple of weeks later sent me a gorgeous photo of a tiny little kitten. She said she'd got him from the RSPCA. I did think at the time that it was a bit quick, and she'd never mentioned about having a home visit or anything, but as I don't see her often, I didn't think too much of it. It is only this last week, when she took him to the vets to be vaccinated and microchipped, and sent me a photo of him now (with those give away pointy ears), that I twigged. I checked and RSPCA don't rehome animals without microchips and at least the first vaccination, and they don't rehome kittens to be house cats. I google searched and there is no RSPCA centre anywhere near where she lives. I asked her where she got him from again. Again, she told me she rescued him from the RSPCA and he wasn't a pedigree cat like Jane's, he was a moggy. I said I was sorry but did she REALLY get him from the RSPCA as they microchip and vaccinate etc before rehoming. It was only then she came clean to me that she went back and bought him from that awful breeder. She said she paid half at Christmas (before she even knew that the flat would even be available) and the rest when she moved in. I would say that the mother was pregnant when she reserved him, he was so little. I'm so sad, angry, and upset with her, not only for fueling the evil exploitative trade, but for lying to me about it.... twice! Those irresponsible breeders only want money and it is only because of people like her that they exist. I'm REALLY upset that she would do this. I've ignored all her messages since as I'm angry and I don't want to say something I'll regret, but I genuinely don't know what to say to her. This has rocked me and my moral beliefs. She said she wanted to rescue him and give him a good home...... which is fine..... but what about his poor brothers and sisters, and his poor mother who is forced to have more litters than her body can cope with. Cruelty to the extreme, and I'm angry with Mary for not seeing the bigger picture. What do I say to her?

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Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

mrswhiplington · 04/05/2024 11:00

Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

This

PurpleJustice · 04/05/2024 11:11

I think you are way too invested in this person's life.

I sometimes disagree with my friends' choices, but could never get this worked up to the point I was angry about something that is none of my business.

She doesn't owe you an explanation about anything she does in her life; bad breeder or no bad breeder.

IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 11:24

I know where you're coming from and, yes, you're right, it is none of my business, and she doesn't owe me an explanation, but I have been friends with Mary for a long time. She has been through a lot in her life and I suppose I like to look out for her. I didn't like Mary living with Jane, as Jane is manipulative and exploitative, and I and spent the whole time she was there listening to Mary moaning about how much Jane annoys her, but I AM grateful to Jane for having Mary and her DD stay otherwise she might have been house in some God-awful refuge.
Yes, I am upset that she went back to the breeder..... first time was pretty bad, but to go BACK and hand more money over to him knowing what he does??? What I'm more upset about is that she felt like she had to lie to me about it, even when caught out. Mary does a lot of things that to me don't make sense but I try not to judge her and never intentionally make her feel bad about it. I do try to be supportive and provide emotional support to help her through her troubles. I guess I'm just upset that she felt she couldn't be honest with me about it.

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Testina · 04/05/2024 11:36

You are surprised she’s not honest with you?

She did something that she knows you disapprove of, and which she knows is morally incorrect, and she also knows you’re the kind of person that will actually research her lies to force her to tell you the truth… over something that actually makes no difference now anyway.

Would you just be honest with someone like you about this?

Added to that, is clearly very vulnerable from the way she let herself be treated by Jane - so she’s hardly going to miraculously grown a back bone and tell you to fuck off, yes it’s a backyard breeder but she actually personally doesn’t care, and that’s not your business.

Why are you posting so much about Mary - when the real villain of the piece here seems to be Jane? All that in your OP about Jane leaving her dog in its own shit overnight, but you’re cross with Mary because she’s not honest with you?

You infantilise Mary. The fact you’re still involved with both makes me think you changed details here and you’re actually all sisters.

IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 11:43

"You infantilise Mary. The fact you’re still involved with both makes me think you changed details here and you’re actually all sisters."

😂

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Testina · 04/05/2024 11:45

Mary just tells you what you want to hear, to stop you heckling her.

After that first breeder visit when you told her how awful it was, Mary agreed whole heartedly.... 'yes yes yes, I know, yes', and said that she had reported the breeder to the RSPCA and HMRC...”

Really? Nothing you’ve said about Mary suggests that would be true. Especially HMRC. Pull the other one!!!!

Mary didn’t care about the breeder, she just wanted a still over priced but “cheap” kitten, without home checks. Mary is selfish, and possibly also a bit on the low IQ side. I say that factually, not as an insult.

But there is NO WAY that Mary - who was happy to buy from that breeder - reported them to HMRC. She just tells you what you want to hear, because she’s infantilised by you and vulnerable, is my interpretation.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 04/05/2024 11:49

Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

Me too, plus the cash to buy two damn cats and an Alsatian. Taxpayers would be my guess 😆

KreedKafer · 04/05/2024 11:49

Jane and Mary are both thick as fucking cheese, by the sound of it. I’d wash my hands of them.

DickJagger · 04/05/2024 11:57

Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

This.

I would dump Mary as a friend and report this "breeder" over and over to whoever can shut them down.

VickyEadieofThigh · 04/05/2024 12:02

DickJagger · 04/05/2024 11:57

This.

I would dump Mary as a friend and report this "breeder" over and over to whoever can shut them down.

me too - I cannot be doing with people who support animal cruelty in this way.

TextureSeeker · 04/05/2024 12:08

Does she actually have the ability to make good judgement calls and resist impulses? I'm not saying this in a mean way but she does seem like possibly she has some learning difficulties and perhaps just can't make good decisions?

Jamfirstest · 04/05/2024 12:11

Op you seem very loyal and caring.

I look back on a similar friendship which in hindsight I got too deeply involved in and it sucked the life out of me. It was also characterised by feeling very cross with let's call her Janet because of choices she made I didn't agree with. She also felt she needed to lie to me because see above. I look back now and think if a friend feels like they have to lie to evade my judgement then I'm just as bad. It's an unhealthy friendship which veers into the territory of a toxic relationship.

Op I totally get it I've been there. Hindsight is 20/20

Funnily enough the unsuitable animal purchases featured heavily too. I can see 3 dogs on a profile pic now which made me eye roll to infinity and then I think take a giant step away!!!

IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 13:36

"Op you seem very loyal and caring.

I look back on a similar friendship which in hindsight I got too deeply involved in and it sucked the life out of me. It was also characterised by feeling very cross with let's call her Janet because of choices she made I didn't agree with. She also felt she needed to lie to me because see above. I look back now and think if a friend feels like they have to lie to evade my judgement then I'm just as bad. It's an unhealthy friendship which veers into the territory of a toxic relationship.

Op I totally get it I've been there. Hindsight is 20/20"

Thank you - sounds like you understand my situation. I do care about Mary, and I do worry about her. Some of the things she does exasperate me and I just try and protect her and stop her from being taken advantage of. She has a very giving nature and it is easy for the wrong people to take advantage of her kindness. I am far less trusting and far more aware of the intentions of others and can see when she is being used. I try to help and advise her without being judgemental and I have never berated her for some of the poor decisions she has made - doing that and making her feel bad about herself just wouldn't help her. I have not made any judgement about her buying the first kitten. I just explained to her afterwards that I understood that she wanted to rescue it, but it's by people doing this that allows poor breeders to continue doing what they do. I was more angry with Jane and the breeder TBH, I know that Mary makes poor decisions because she wants to please people and avoid any negative confrontation.
I know people say it's none of my business what she does - that's very true and anyone has free will to buy off these people - but I abhor animal cruelty and could never encourage or be accepting of people who exploit animals for profit. Should I ignore what is morally right, my own beliefs and just pretend it doesn't matter, just because Mary is my friend? Am I wrong to feel disappointed and upset? I haven't spoken to Mary yet since I found out because I really DON'T want to sound judgemental.... when really I am about this particular issue so should I now just pretend I don't know and carry on as normal without mentioning it again, because to do otherwise would be ME being in the wrong by not approving of what she did and being the bad person??

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IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 13:38

"Does she actually have the ability to make good judgement calls and resist impulses? I'm not saying this in a mean way but she does seem like possibly she has some learning difficulties and perhaps just can't make good decisions?"

I have often thought this. My conclusion has often been probably not, and quite possibly.

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 04/05/2024 13:43

This relationship between Jane and Mary goes way beyond a couple of cats , it is exploitative and toxic

I'm wondering too if Mary is buying the animals from this breeder because she believes she is "Rescuing" them from their hideous conditions ?

RightOnTheEdge · 04/05/2024 13:47

I think Jane and Mary are both as bad as each other!

To want another cat just to cheer up her daughter when they already have two cats in a second floor flat is ridiculous.
And to pay for that pet when she's homeless and unemployed and from a terrible, cruel breeder is stupid and selfish.

Grotbagg · 04/05/2024 13:50

Lots of people buy pets from cruel backyard breeders because when they see the conditions they think they are rescuing them from a terrible life. When we used to go to Appleby Horse Fair some travellers used to sell the most underweight, underage puppies there as they knew it would play on the heart strings of visitors and make them want to rescue them.

wompwomp · 04/05/2024 14:19

Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

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blue345 · 04/05/2024 14:23

No, I don't think your level of anger is justified. She probably told a porkie about the second one so she was spared the ranting.

You have a right not to approve but it sounds as if she had bigger things to worry about in her life.

Testina · 04/05/2024 15:15

I know that Mary makes poor decisions because she wants to please people and avoid any negative confrontation.

Then you can already understand your earlier comment:

I guess I'm just upset that she felt she couldn't be honest with me about it.

I may be wrong, but it feels in that second statement (which you made first) that it was feeling quite personal - like you felt it was your failing that she couldn’t be honest. But your explanation of her personality shows that this is nothing to do with how caring, approachable, understand, supportive or kind you have always been.

KomodoOhno · 04/05/2024 16:42

Testina · 04/05/2024 10:58

Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️

I can't understand why Mary had to live with her when the amount of money she was splashing out on Jane could have helped her own situation.

IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 17:08

"Honestly, I read that and was more interested in where Mary was getting £300 a week from to give Jane.

Look, Jane and Mary are trash. YANBU to be disgusted by them both. Of course YANBU. You are being unreasonable having anything to do with them. Get better friends 🤷🏻‍♀️"

"I can't understand why Mary had to live with her when the amount of money she was splashing out on Jane could have helped her own situation."

I have absolutely no idea, her money situation really IS none of my business. All I did was advise Mary that she should perhaps look at paying Jane a set amount each week for letting her and her DD stay. I think because there were no boundaries Mary felt that she owed Jane and Jane just took advantage!

And to the poster who suggested 'get better friends' - easier said than done tbh.

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IOnlyHopeItsGoingGoingGone · 04/05/2024 17:12

No, I don't think your level of anger is justified. She probably told a porkie about the second one so she was spared the ranting.

You have a right not to approve but it sounds as if she had bigger things to worry about in her life.

She didn't and has never got 'a ranting', that's not the way I roll. And I would be angry about ANYONE who bought an animal in those circumstances, whoever they were. I think any animal lover would and if you didn't feel some sort of anger about animals being bred like that I would suggest you're probably not an animal lover and in that case, it probably doesn't matter to you at all.

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