AIBU to think a potential 2% pay rise for the NHS staff is ridiculous?

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NHS England is cautioning against giving employees raises of more than 2%. is A band 2 salary is now only 10p above minimum wage due to the recent increase in the minimum wage. Surely, a 2% increase is insufficient for a job this challenging? If you are still working in the NHS, can you share your reasons why?

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Thanks repiles, not big 4 but similar high pressure role. Just to point out most NHS employees don't take.ther full leave either . I was forced to.take , yes i do mean forced to take 2 days in March as I couldn't carry more than 10 days and to.tale 20 as a legal minimum. I already had extra from the year before that .....

I completely disagree. The support workers on the mental health wards I've worked on do a difficult and skillful job, that most of the population couldn't do. The amount they are paid is an insult.

Ive looked at a couple.of private sector roles, one in healthcare, one in education. One offered just under 30 days annual leave but another offered 33 days. It can also be really hard to take all the annual leave, if service demand is high then you can be refused. Also I can't take annual leave in certain weeks such as Christmas unless there are exceptional circumstances

Yes they do, anyone who can work ten years full time on busy hospital wards deserves a few days extra holiday in my opinion. But don't forget you can rarely have Xmas or new year off,or indeed the build up to either of those celebrations, this includes any other celebrations such as Eid, you have to work a proportion of bank holidays, along with shift work and covering short staffed wards constantly.

Absolutely 100% agree with this. For starters I think they will string out public sector pay rises for as long as possible to leave it unresolved with possible strikes for when Labour take over.

I think the Torys will hold off from a summer election, have an autumn statement, knock another 2p off National Insurance and implement this, then call for an election leaving Labour in as much poop as possible.

Hi not all band 2 are admin are clinical support too. I work as a band 2 in the NHS should have been a health care professional but due to health problems had to change direction. As someone in their early fifties to be now put back as a minimum wage earner is soul destroying and degrading and I feel this needs addressing by the government

That's after 10 Years service 33 plus bank holidays

You can't say it's 41 days AL and compare it to elsewhere when bank holidays are non work days.......

Marvelous! Let's all discuss the appallingness of NHS staff, we're doing the Torie's job for them.

I get the enhanced annual leave and whilst I've had school age children it's one of the reasons I've stayed
I'm not clinical but I am trained in my career and could work privately in many sectors. The leave is generous and well deserved in my opinion

Band 2 are unskilled jobs requiring no qualifications or experience, its not really surprising they are only paid minimum wage.

I used to work in an industry where burnt out big 4 members would frequently move to. If you think anyone in big 4 actually takes their annual leave or that big 4 is a typical private sector employee I have a bridge to sell you.

I am ex big 4 and work with loads of big 4. They take their annual leave?!! I always took mine and you could buy extra days too.

Not true, this is a band 2 job advert

That's not true.

Emiliaswrath

The fact that some employers will ask for experience doesn't change that this is considered an unskilled job.

The experience and skills required are basic - that experience could be obtained in a very short space of time.

If people have actually marketable skills why apply for a minimum wage role? If no one applied for it at that pay they would have to offer more.

The point being:
Its irrelevant what the employer lists as desirable experience. Of course they want the best possible person for the job.

But do you actually need advanced skills and experience to do that job? No. The skills and experience can be picked up in the first 2 or 3 shifts by a school leaver.

That's not only untrue, but also incredibly rude and dismissive. It takes a while to get up to speed in a lot of these roles, I'd say months to become competent (and years to be really valued). Unfortunately there are a lot of roles paid at the same band that are very different. For example, the role above seems to be for a pharmacy support worker and is banded the same as a canteen worker or porter.

Porters and cleaners in my trust (as they are not trust employees) get paid more than the HCA's i work with on A&E who are doing bloods, ecgs, vital signs, and literally preforming CPR, never mind personal care and 1-1 of mental health health, dementia and confused patients as band 2 staff. Yes, porters and cleaners are vital in the running of the hospital, but they dont have the responsibilities of HCA's, far from it.

2% is all I got. And we had to fight hard for that.

Gosh aren't we all so very spoilt in the private sector

They should go to the union and ask for a review then, they should be getting a band 3 if they're doing bloods etc. No need to undermine the role of the porter and cleaner though, if they weren't there none of us would be able to do our jobs.

Its an on going conversation in the trust, thats been on going since i was a HCA in 2017 also doing bloods etc. Unions have been involved for years. Nothing has changed.

And its not undermining the role of others, their pay in my trust is £1 over min wage, which they fully deserve, the comparison was the staff who give hands on care are getting minimum wage, which is not fair given the extra responsibilities they have.

How much more can we all afford to pay in tax to fund it? The NHS is running a £12.5b deficit this year and every 1 percent on pay costs over a £100m more to taxpayers.