To ask how much a head of department earns?

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In a school just in case that wasn’t clear.

dm’s friends daughter just got a role as a head of department in Greater London. Fantastic.

Had one of those convos with dm, you know the kind when the relationship is fractious and toxic and every other comment is a dig lamenting how successful X was v me. I was going to go into teaching but changed my mind. Basis of the dig

i think I’m doing alright, mid 30s earning mid 50s. Out of idle curiosity how much does a head of department earn, google told me about 45k but DM was insistent she was earning around 100k because ‘that’s what head of department earn’

Could be a huge range dependent on school. I work in a small school of 300 kids and our HODs have nothing extra than UPS salary, maybe a small TLR for whole school responsibilities like English and Maths.

In a bigger school, probably a TLR on top of UPS. London get a little more allowance.

a HOD in a school will get nowhere near 100k. Ever. Even a lot of headteachers aren’t on that.

Nowhere near. Head of a core subject around 50k if they are already at top of scale for teaching.

Nothing like 100k unless in some super-prestigious private school (and even then, very, very unlikely!)

Max basic salary would be ~£47k and then add ~£15k (absolute max) for HoD but only if HoD of e.g. science or possibly English/maths where they would be in charge of a large number of other members of staff (£8k much more realistic for a modest sized department).
Academies can pay more because they don’t have to follow the rates, but in practice most pay less!

My mum was like this, just used to smile and nod while internally chanting “you’re talking total bollocks”.

No chance. She's made that up. It's around £60-70k for an Assistant-Deputy Head, which is Leadership Scale - a middle leader, which is a department head, is more like to be on or around £40-50k. Maybe a fraction more if they're in a very large, extremely well funded school and they're doing shitloads of extra duties on top of a huge amount of experience and great results at both GCSE and A Level.

So you now know she's an idiot and can ignore anything else that comes out of her mouth.

H is HOD across two departments, he is on c 70 because of TLR and SLT. Academy.

Dh is HOD at city secondary. £54k

Between £50-60k

I think mum is telling porkies

UPS 3 (top of ‘normal teacher’ pay band) is £51,179 for a full time teacher in outer London. Top TLR band 1c is £15,690 (so, depending on how school is organised, this is likely to only to be for science, maths and English as they line manage a lot of staff and have the largest number of student outcomes) So, in all likelihood, the most your mum’s friend’s DC is on is £67k PA.

A lot of headteachers don't even earn 100k. Maybe in big acadamies.

It can be £60k top of scale - some boroughs pay retention amounts on top of normal pay scale.

Between £50-75 if she's getting inner London weighting and it's a big school.

No way are they on 100k, I mean our executive head is on between 100-120k (only know as that is what they advertised the job as). HOD even with London weighing won't be on that.

DH was on about £57k as a HOD in a reasonable size secondary. This was for a core subject, not in London.

Variable.
I'd think you were on the right lines.
A headteacher 100k+

Would you have to have a lot of experience to be top of the banding for both (sorry if that’s daft it’s just so alien to me) you would in my sector

I'm on £65K but my first HOD job was when I was a year in to teaching so took me to £35k with inner London weighting

That seems low given the work load

I’m a head of department in a secondary school ( not London) and top of the pay scale.

I earn £52k

My DH is a Head of Faculty (step above HoD) in outer London, 20+ years experience and earns about 56k. The pay will vary by school as you will be given a TLR (teaching and learning responsibility) addition to your standard teacher's salary. The amount of the TLR will vary by school and role. Someone in the middle of the main pay scale will also bring home less than someone on the top of the Upper Pay Scale.

Many headteachers don't earn 100k!

I am a HoD in a fancy well paying private school and I do not earn anything like 100k so I’m calling bullshit!

Usually about £50k for a core subject. It depends on experience and might be slightly less or more depending on your experience.

Before my baby I was a HOD (not a core subject) in an outer London school earning 58k. Totally depends on the school in my experience. Would be nowhere near 100k though.
As a side note, I wouldn't let what other people earn or comparisons from your mother bother you. Rise above.

It'll be more than £45k if they've been teaching a while because that's just top of the teaching scale - I get that as a classroom teacher. More like £55k I'd say (outside London).