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Am I wrong to be thinking of leaving?

19 replies

Undecided1001 · 24/04/2024 21:02

My husband and I have been together since our teenage years. We are both now in our early 30s and have 2 beautiful young children together.
We both trained into professional jobs with 5 years each at uni.
Until graduation the power dynamic always seemed reasonably equal. Both of us had extra jobs at uni when we could and we would compromise when essay deadlines etc approached.
We are both coming up 10 years since graduation now and I have moved onwards in my career (with a side step but still related field). His first graduate job he ended up on long term sick and then reduced duties after bullying by a superior. I supported him through this. Both our mental health had taken a turn when I had a miscarriage around the same time. This seemed to have precipitated alot of his mental health issues. Within a year I was pregnant again.
In early pregnancy he quit this job (he says before they let him go). He got a zero hour contract job in retail and has since bounced from job to job with a few failed business attempts along the way.
Each time he has left a job someone else has been at fault and since this first one jobs have lasted anywhere from 6 weeks to 9 months at most. In under a decade he has probably held 14 or so different roles.
Because of this his income has never been very predictable and this has been a source of massive stress for me. I work in a public sector role with very fixed pay scales and progression and I know I am very lucky. It's also the kind of role where I can pick up overtime when I need to. So I have repeatedly over the years to plug the gaps he is leaving.
Part of this is definitely naivety on my part for believing when he got better roles that they would stick. During a better paid stint when my faith was restored we bought a nicer house in a nicer area. I told him at the time the expectation was that he would need to maintain the same level of pay or else the mortgage would not be sustainable. And then the rates and everything else went up. And we have ended up in a fair amount of debt (~18k) mostly paying for food and petrol as mortgage and bills are taking all our wages. Obviously this isn't sustainable and we are moving to a smaller house to get the equity out and live in our means again.
I should point out this is now the second time we have had to sell a house after we have gotten into debt after he has lost a job.

I feel like I can't trust him to provide any level of income at all and the stress it has caused over the years has been substantial.
Aside from this he also has a habit of jumping down my throat about inconsequential things. This culminated in a split last year. I had rang him on my way to work for a chat and he was in afoul mood and I was trying to talk him round. He was anxious and I was too. We were both stressing about different things. I was trying to commiserate with him. He told me I could f* off. At this point we had been having couples therapy for 3 months to try and repair the relationship. I found this really hard and ended up sat in a church before work bawling my eyes out. (I am not religious in anyway I just thought it was a safe place cry).
The next day we split and I thought that would be it but then we ended up back together after a couple of months. I think for me a combination of not wanting to miss out on the kids and still being attracted to him and wanting to have sex with him.
Fast forward a few months and the good behaviours he had picked up from couples counselling (6 months+) are not as solid. The sniping has started again. And I still live in fear he will lose his job any moment.

Is this something that can be worked through? Have other people managed and made it better?
Is this just normal marriage gripes and I am making too much of a big deal?

Apologies very long winded and thanks if you got this far!!!

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Stripeysocks1981 · 24/04/2024 21:12

Sounds like you’re flogging a dead horse OP. He’s too reliant on you and not appreciative. I’m not a “LTB” type on here but I genuinely think you’ve given it your best shot and he doesn’t seem interested in making you happy

Summerbee3 · 24/04/2024 21:25

I think it’s very hard to have trust in someone like this. My DP was like this for years and I found it incredibly stressful and unfair that I had a good job and worked hard but we couldn’t buy a house as he was too unreliable and I also got into debt subsidising him (always with promises to pay me back which never happened). He is better now since having DC but only because he has to be and he’s quite resentful that he has to do jobs he hates. It really resonates with me you saying that it’s always someone else’s fault he ends up leaving jobs, my DP was exactly the same. Always falling out with his managers, funny how the common theme was him. I still feel incredibly resentful and it affects our relationship still. I wouldn’t recommend hanging around to see if he changes, it really doesn’t sound likely unfortunately.

cheddercherry · 24/04/2024 22:42

To be honest it doesn’t sound like a phase it sounds like he’s been unreliable, and miserable and basically shirked any responsibility the whole of your adult relationship. So no, I don’t think he’s going to chance to be honest and the only way you’d be stable is to take him off the table and get your own ducks in a row. It’s no way to live.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 24/04/2024 22:55

My Ex was terrible with money and too lazy to get anything other than a minimum pay job. I was the main breadwinner and working myself to the bone to keep us afloat. It killed any love I had for him stone dead. I tried to make it work for the sake of our DD but I was so stressed, worrying about money all the time the relationship was dead in the water.

I kicked him out in the end and have never looked back. I've got a lovely home, and it's bliss not having to worry about where the next mortgage payment is going to come from.

You've tried your best OP but he's never going to change. Yes... it hurts now to end the relationship but you need to rip off the plaster and make a fresh start. You're so young... you cannot live the rest of your life like this.

Lavengro · 24/04/2024 22:56

I'm not making excuses for him because he sounds like bloody hard work, but I wonder if he has mental health or neurodiversity issues, as it sounds not only as though he's making you unhappy but also that he's very unhappy himself. But it sounds so tough for you, because you're doing most of the work and taking all of the responsibility, and at the very least you need to be appreciated for that and for him to bring something else to the table, such as good humour, kindness or just totally having your back, all of which seem to be lacking too. How old are the kids, and would you be able to make things work, practically speaking, if you left?

0verandoveragain · 25/04/2024 09:00

No this is not normal marriage issues at all. Has he ever been suspected of having ADHD?

I couldn't live with some having a go at me, ans living on the edge waiting to lose my house because he's not trustworthy.

Shinyandnew1 · 25/04/2024 09:03

This sounds really difficult. Is he doing the professional job he spent 5 years training to do now, or not?

bridgetreilly · 25/04/2024 09:13

Frankly, you sound awful. You’re basically considering leaving him because he doesn’t earn enough? Wow. And you’ve made him feel defensive and worthless about it to the point that he has started retaliating.

After ten years, it should be pretty easy to work out what is a reasonable budget and strategy for your actual income, rather than the income you feel you shoukd have. And then perhaps, start focussing on the good things, the things you do love and like about him, and try to stop valuing him in financial terms.

Otherwise, you should walk away and let him find someone nicer.

Undecided1001 · 25/04/2024 09:43

He's not doing the job he trained to do. He's in a part-time retail post at the moment.
For clarity it's not what he earns that bothers me. Its the lack of consistency and any sense of purpose or direction.
He is waiting for an appointment for ADHD assesment. Lists are long and it has been over a year since referral which I think is standard.
We managed a system of 50/50 (ish) with the kids whilst we were separated. It was possible. But I really hated being apart from them. I felt guilty the whole time for not being with them. Alot of the reconciliation was more about them than him.
I think the long and short feels like I am growing up and he's not.
I do feel at fault for enabling his behaviour and bailing him out. But he is very reactive and essentially behaves like a teenager still. Goes into sullen, one word answers. For example, kicked a table across a room when a staff member told him he couldn't take our child on a ride (in front of our at the time 5 year old). I suspect this reactiveness is what loses the jobs for him. But he always gives a story where he is the victim.
Thanks for any comments. It's appreciated. And I fully understand I have been in no way perfect.

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Haydenn · 25/04/2024 09:54

From a practical point of view I would leave now whilst he has a job so you don’t get shafted when he claims to be the main carer for the kids or end up having to pay him maintenance.

This relationship sounds stressful and like you have worked hard at it and it still isn’t improving. You don’t owe anyone a relationship. Speak with a solicitor and start looking at protecting yourself financially. He gets wind of what’s going on and he’ll give up his job and then be saying you need to say with him until he’s back on his feet or he’ll be saying he’s the main carer.

FluffyCatsTail · 25/04/2024 09:56

@bridgetreilly he doesn’t sound like a lovely person who just happens to earn less than OP. He jumps at her throat for inconsequential things, tells her to fuck off, is irresponsible and i bet there are some other issues there OP has left out of her post. What bad behaviours he had that needed to be addressed in couples therapy? He sounds like he has anger issues.

OP on the other hand has been steady and reliable, pulling him along and subsidizing him through periods when he was out of work.

He definitely sounds like he has issues if he cannot hold down a job. He quit when OP got pregnant, charmer.

Tbh, he sounds like a dead weight to me, he either needs to address whatever issues he has or live solo and take responsibility for his choices instead of relying on op to bail him out.

paintingvenice · 25/04/2024 09:57

bridgetreilly · 25/04/2024 09:13

Frankly, you sound awful. You’re basically considering leaving him because he doesn’t earn enough? Wow. And you’ve made him feel defensive and worthless about it to the point that he has started retaliating.

After ten years, it should be pretty easy to work out what is a reasonable budget and strategy for your actual income, rather than the income you feel you shoukd have. And then perhaps, start focussing on the good things, the things you do love and like about him, and try to stop valuing him in financial terms.

Otherwise, you should walk away and let him find someone nicer.

He’s an adult and he isn’t pulling his weight. It is stressful being the main earner and having the whole family dependent on just you. This man has opted out of being a grown-up, the OP has no idea if he’ll have a job next week, next month… that is a huge weight for her to carry. He doesn’t get to unilaterally decide she is responsible for being his safety net.

jay55 · 25/04/2024 09:59

If you're selling up anyway, seems an ideal time to split.
You're not going to be happy, you're not happy.
It's not a good atmosphere for the kids.

TulipsAndZombies · 25/04/2024 10:03

I think you’ve given it a good go OP. He’s a terrible role model of a father and by stating you’d be showing them that it’s ok to behave like that when it’s not. I’d have left a long time ago.

FluffyCatsTail · 25/04/2024 10:04

Also if you buy together and he runs up debts in the future, your house is a collateral to that. You need to protect yourself financially and your kids too, this man doesn’t seem contributing much at all.

You are not responsible for his issues. It can all be worked out if he sees the issues and is going to tackle them but that doesn’t seem to be the case. He kicked the table at a public place cause he couldn’t get on a ride? How long till he turns on you and starts shoving you around? He sounds awful.

0verandoveragain · 25/04/2024 10:08

Kicking tables across a room? Yeah totally split he has shown who he is.

LardoBurrows · 25/04/2024 10:53

No relationship should be this hard. Get out now while you are young enough to build a solid and decent life for you and your children.

Lavengro · 25/04/2024 18:24

bridgetreilly · 25/04/2024 09:13

Frankly, you sound awful. You’re basically considering leaving him because he doesn’t earn enough? Wow. And you’ve made him feel defensive and worthless about it to the point that he has started retaliating.

After ten years, it should be pretty easy to work out what is a reasonable budget and strategy for your actual income, rather than the income you feel you shoukd have. And then perhaps, start focussing on the good things, the things you do love and like about him, and try to stop valuing him in financial terms.

Otherwise, you should walk away and let him find someone nicer.

This is a bizarre interpretation of the facts as given.

MaseratiIsYellow · 25/04/2024 18:29

Personally OP I'd have planned my exit after the first 2 job losses post birth. Not had another child and gone on to sell a house thanks to his fecklessness.
But what's done is done. Salvage what you can and star afresh.

I have ADHD too! No excuses. The job losses isn't the issue it's that he's entitled enough to still treat you like dirt despite you bankrolling him

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