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Am I asking too much in early stages of relationship?

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Matissevangogh · 18/04/2024 23:31

Dating a new guy - it’s only been a couple of months. He has been single for a while and has built himself a very rich and full life of hobbies and friends to occupy himself otherwise, I suppose. He’s very extroverted and really throws himself into whatever he gives his time and attention to - he has multiple sporting hobbies, he dedicates a lot of time and attention to his job, and has a huge network of friends and acquaintances that he regularly meets for coffees, dinners, drinks etc. He’s currently learning a language and is also on a training course to volunteer for a charity. If a colleague at work is upset or needs help, he’ll take hours out of his day to assist or support. He also has issues sleeping, so needs more sleep than I do. He also usually goes to bed fairly early (but also wakes up much earlier than I do - I’m a night owl whilst he’s a lark).

Here’s my issue - his life is so rich and full that I don’t really feel like my needs regarding attention, texts/calls and time spent together are not being met. From the minute he wakes up, he’s go go go. He doesn’t check his phone at work very much, and if he does it will only be for a couple of minutes, so his texts during the day are fleeting and short. I am fairly understanding about this. However, after work (he leaves at 6/7pm), he’ll usually be off doing some activity or meeting some friend and again, I don’t really get any satisfactory responses to my texts (in fact I feel like he doesn’t read them properly and just skims through them half the time). When we speak on the phone, it’s usually as he’s walking to/from one destination to another (eg from work to an activity; from a hobby to home); or if he is at home, I can tell I’m on speakerphone whilst he cooks/brushes his teeth/showers. I just never feel like he has time for me to give me the kind of depth of attention and time that I want to feel secure in the relationship. I continuously question how interested he is in me as a result.

When we see each other in person, he does dedicate his full time and attention to me, and I don’t question whether he’s interested in me. I feel like his main priority. However, our opportunities for seeing each other in person are also limited. He asked very early on that we avoid meeting on weeknights because our sleeping habits are so misaligned that I would deprive him of sleep and he’d be exhausted for the rest of the week. This is not untrue, but I can cope with the lack of sleep - he can’t. So I feel like I have been relegated to just seeing him on weekends, but this feels unsustainable, as if either one of us has to miss a weekend due to other plans, we go weeks without seeing each other.

Is this a compatibility issue, or am I being unreasonable in my requests for time and attention, in the sense of expecting somebody to give up or deprioritise other activities and things to make a significant amount of time for me?

OP posts:
Chocolateorange11 · 19/04/2024 07:30

It doesn’t matter what we think. It ultimately down to what you need in a relationship. As a lark, my ex was a night owl (extreme end but never went to bed before 2) and it caused a lot of friction so I would consider if you are compatible or not

PersephonePomegranate23 · 19/04/2024 07:30

If he invites me to spend time with him, I willingly give up my own pre-arranged plans to make the time to accompany him - and I don’t feel like he does the same in return, which I guess is why I’m left questioning his interest.

You ditching plans would be a huge red flag to me!

It seems that you're an 'all in', while he's a 'nice to have/enhancer' when it comes to relationships. There's nothing wrong with that but you need to find another 'all in' for it to work.

CommentNow · 19/04/2024 07:31

There are two major red flags:

1 you cancel your own plans to meet up with him
2 you want to slot into his life

Never ever cancel your plans. Not only will a man lose respect for you doing it but those are the people you can actually rely on to get you through in life and they deserve better.

You and this man are simply incompatible at the moment.

Depending on your age, he either suits a semi retired lady or a single mum who wants a part time relationship.

This man is not looking to have the relationship you want. There are plenty who are. If you think for even a moment he is ready to move in, marry and have kids at this stage in his life you will do yourself a disservice to fall for him.

I usually have plenty to say about men who dont prioritise their families but he sounds like a happy young man living a full and happy life and like he isnt hurting anyone because he doesnt have those ties.

You know he doesnt have space in his life for the relationship you want and that's ok! But you are on a hiding to a massive heartbreak if you keep bending to make yourself fit because you are unlikely to even be in the same space.

VestibuleVirgin · 19/04/2024 07:32

Matissevangogh · 18/04/2024 23:53

Also just to clarify - I have never asked him to make time for me or give up things for me, and haven’t yet complained to him about feeling like we have different expectations around how much time we spend together and how much we communicate when we’re not together.

If he invites me to spend time with him, I willingly give up my own pre-arranged plans to make the time to accompany him - and I don’t feel like he does the same in return, which I guess is why I’m left questioning his interest.

I have offered to accompany him to his various sporting matches or partake in other activities/hobbies that he participates in as a way of spending time with him, even though they’re not really my thing. But I don’t feel like he offers to do the same for me. I love going to galleries and museums - which he also claims to love, and was one of the things we initially bonded over - but he never really offers to do these things with me, or seemingly has an excuse to hand if I invite him along to an exhibition I want to go to.

I’d much prefer to bond by conversation than an activity - I’d much rather have a quiet evening in cooking a nice meal, chatting over a glass of wine.. but he sees this downtime as an opportunity to sleep or watch a film (in which we don’t talk).

Sorry, you are daft to drop your pre-arranged activities for any relationship. Looks way too needy, and you will end up very lonely because you will be deemed unreliable.
You seem to want to mould him into some sort of borfriend that behaves in the way you believe that the other half should fit. He doesn't have much time for the dinner party/cosy pub/weekend walk aspect of a relationship because he has a full life.
So, do you want to accept his way of having a relationship, or find someone that fits the 'mould'?

AngelinaFibres · 19/04/2024 07:33

Matissevangogh · 18/04/2024 23:53

Also just to clarify - I have never asked him to make time for me or give up things for me, and haven’t yet complained to him about feeling like we have different expectations around how much time we spend together and how much we communicate when we’re not together.

If he invites me to spend time with him, I willingly give up my own pre-arranged plans to make the time to accompany him - and I don’t feel like he does the same in return, which I guess is why I’m left questioning his interest.

I have offered to accompany him to his various sporting matches or partake in other activities/hobbies that he participates in as a way of spending time with him, even though they’re not really my thing. But I don’t feel like he offers to do the same for me. I love going to galleries and museums - which he also claims to love, and was one of the things we initially bonded over - but he never really offers to do these things with me, or seemingly has an excuse to hand if I invite him along to an exhibition I want to go to.

I’d much prefer to bond by conversation than an activity - I’d much rather have a quiet evening in cooking a nice meal, chatting over a glass of wine.. but he sees this downtime as an opportunity to sleep or watch a film (in which we don’t talk).

What's that oft used quote " He's just not that into you". You are an added section in his life along with all the others. A tick in the ' girlfriend ' section. You want more. You are not compatible.

BeakyPIinders · 19/04/2024 07:35

You are literally just one of his weekend activities. Imagine having a child with him. He would never be at home!

Matissevangogh · 19/04/2024 07:38

Thank you all for your responses.

He’s in his 40s.

I think most of you are right - this is a non-starter!

And thank you for giving my head a wobble re cancelling / adjusting plans around him.

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Riverlee · 19/04/2024 07:38

Your dp sounds like my nieces dp, always on the go. Some people are like this, and thrive in activity.

Sorry, I think you are incompatible. Your life patterns are different. Neither lifestyle is right or wrong. Two months in, you’re already resenting his lifestyle.

justasking111 · 19/04/2024 07:39

Matissevangogh · 18/04/2024 23:53

Also just to clarify - I have never asked him to make time for me or give up things for me, and haven’t yet complained to him about feeling like we have different expectations around how much time we spend together and how much we communicate when we’re not together.

If he invites me to spend time with him, I willingly give up my own pre-arranged plans to make the time to accompany him - and I don’t feel like he does the same in return, which I guess is why I’m left questioning his interest.

I have offered to accompany him to his various sporting matches or partake in other activities/hobbies that he participates in as a way of spending time with him, even though they’re not really my thing. But I don’t feel like he offers to do the same for me. I love going to galleries and museums - which he also claims to love, and was one of the things we initially bonded over - but he never really offers to do these things with me, or seemingly has an excuse to hand if I invite him along to an exhibition I want to go to.

I’d much prefer to bond by conversation than an activity - I’d much rather have a quiet evening in cooking a nice meal, chatting over a glass of wine.. but he sees this downtime as an opportunity to sleep or watch a film (in which we don’t talk).

Don't give up your pre arranged plans.
Don't dump friends, events to please him
Don't peck his head with numerous texts.

Be less available/needy
Enjoy his company when it suits both of you

You sound very young and inexperienced.

Practice the above. See how it goes.

At two months it's very early days.

CommentNow · 19/04/2024 07:43

It's a bit like you are going for a job you really want - you show flexibility, you show the interviewer/boyfriend how well you can do and show your best side to get the job.

But as nice as he is, he isnt doing that because he doesnt mind if he gets the boyfriend job.

I'd suggest seeing dating as more like you are interviewing someone for the job of boyfriend, not like you are are interviewing to be a girlfriend.

What are you looking for? Does he turn up on time? Is he enthusiastic? Proactive? Is he showing his best side? Does he really want the job?

Dating is a 2 way interview process to find the right match.

Dacadactyl · 19/04/2024 07:47

I don't think you're asking enough of him tbh.

YANBU to want more.

I also think you shouldn't have slept with him til he'd shown he was going to prioritise you.

DragonGypsyDoris · 19/04/2024 07:47

Imagine life without being glued to a phone with constant message and calls (like it was before the 1990s) ... and that's the life he's living and very much enjoying.

MissHarrietBede · 19/04/2024 07:48

And thank you for giving my head a wobble re cancelling / adjusting plans around him.

This is very important for all the reasons pp have stated.

Whateveer · 19/04/2024 07:48

You're not compatible. He is happy with limited contact, you want a full on relationship.

If he invites me to spend time with him, I willingly give up my own pre-arranged plans to make the time to accompany him - and I don’t feel like he does the same in return,

This is wild, don't be cancelling your plans for him.

Unicornhunter2 · 19/04/2024 07:54

I dont think you're unreasonable to want something different. Everyone has different expectations in relationships. I like to have lots of comnunication between the person im with, as its makes me feel closer to them, important, prioritised. I wouldn't want to be in a relationship where i didnt feel prioritised. And in the early days of a relationship I tend to find its the "can't get enough of each other phase" and its exciting and passionate. I couldnt be with someone who was fitting me in now and then.

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2024 08:17

Tbh a couple of months is early days. Relationships grow, and the more time you spend together, he may develop deeper feelings, and start to miss you more when he doesn’t see you, and the time you spend together might increase gradually. Atm, you’re still getting to know each other. Just sounds like you might want things to develop at a faster pace than him. I would give it a bit longer. If you’re still at this stage in six months time, then I guess you have to think whether this is going to work for you in its current form. It would be a shame to throw it away at this early stage.

BIossomtoes · 19/04/2024 08:23

OlympicProcrastinator · 19/04/2024 04:29

You are way overthinking this. It’s simple. He’s just not that into you. Men who are really into a woman make them a priority and include them in their busy lives.

You are flogging a dead horse OP.

This.

Marbledleaves678 · 19/04/2024 08:26

Ugh op. It’s all about what’s good for him isn’t it? It’s only been eight weeks so a bit hard to tell but let’s just say that my bf (now dh of many years) was more than happy to be a bit sleep deprived when we first met! For your bf to ban meeting mid-week so early on is a bit odd imho.

Something feels off here about the power balance between you; why is he dictating terms?

And yes you cancelling your plans when he is not prepared to do the same is nuts!

For me it’s a no. As a pp said, when a guy is in to you, he won’t mind making great efforts see you. My dh once drove 400 miles to see me for one night and then drove back the next day!

I’d be ringing him up saying,

”Dear bf, it’s been fun but I don’t think there is room in your life for a relationship currently. I’m looking for something more. Have a good one!”

Matissevangogh · 19/04/2024 08:27

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2024 08:17

Tbh a couple of months is early days. Relationships grow, and the more time you spend together, he may develop deeper feelings, and start to miss you more when he doesn’t see you, and the time you spend together might increase gradually. Atm, you’re still getting to know each other. Just sounds like you might want things to develop at a faster pace than him. I would give it a bit longer. If you’re still at this stage in six months time, then I guess you have to think whether this is going to work for you in its current form. It would be a shame to throw it away at this early stage.

Actually - I’ve mainly been responding to his verbal cues. He has already told me he is looking for a wife and children, that he really really likes me, etc etc. He constantly says he’d like to see me, but then offers up very limited slots in his calendar. There’s a bit of a mismatch between his words and his actions imo, and I tend to judge people based on how they behave rather than what they say. I’m usually quite reserved with expressing my feelings (verbally) in relationships, so I’m not used to someone as effusive as him.

To be honest, the more I interrogate this, the more I just can’t be bothered to carry on like this! Thanks for everybody’s advice and for confirming that this isn’t the one for me.

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Crapuscular · 19/04/2024 08:35

It looks to me as though you're hanging on' to him and his lifestyle. You're the one who's trying to fit in. He is not fitting you in except for when he can fit you in around his lifestyle.

If he really was into you then he'd find a way.

It's barely two months.

If it's this hard now , I doubt it'll get any better.

Your not compatible.

AE9766 · 19/04/2024 08:40

I don't think there's anything wrong with either of you, you're just not compatible, but for the love of God please don't drop your friends when this bloke decides he wants to spend time with you. That's really not cool. Especially don't do this if you're expecting the same friends to be there to pick up the pieces after it ends.

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2024 08:45

Matissevangogh · 19/04/2024 08:27

Actually - I’ve mainly been responding to his verbal cues. He has already told me he is looking for a wife and children, that he really really likes me, etc etc. He constantly says he’d like to see me, but then offers up very limited slots in his calendar. There’s a bit of a mismatch between his words and his actions imo, and I tend to judge people based on how they behave rather than what they say. I’m usually quite reserved with expressing my feelings (verbally) in relationships, so I’m not used to someone as effusive as him.

To be honest, the more I interrogate this, the more I just can’t be bothered to carry on like this! Thanks for everybody’s advice and for confirming that this isn’t the one for me.

Maybe just spell it out to him what your expectations are. He may think this is working for you. Give him an opportunity to turn things around. He will either say that this is how it is, and he is happy with how things are, or he might realise he doesn’t want to lose the relationship and then makes compromises to make it work. My daughter is with someone she started dating a couple of years ago. They both had very full lives already, and just saw each other a couple of times a week. Both said the relationship was perfect for them because they wanted the same thing (however, she has since moved in with him, and is pregnant, so the dynamic I suspect will now change!)

Cosycover · 19/04/2024 08:54

It sounds like he is making time for you when he feels like it. All on his terms. It doesn't feel 50/50.

I'd try and have the talk about it but if he doesn't want to change I'd move on.

MumblesParty · 19/04/2024 09:19

I don’t think either of you are wrong as such. You just have very different ideas of where your relationship fits into your life. I don’t think you’re compatible, because in time you’ll start to resent his lack of free time, and he’ll start to feel pressurised. He’s not ready to make as much space for the relationship as you would like. He might change, he might not.

Conniebygaslight · 19/04/2024 09:26

He sounds exhausting OP. I know you’ve said you’re not asking him to change but you’ll need him to further down the line if this is going to go anywhere. It obviously isn’t ……he’s not for you. YANBU for wanting different, go find it x