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Ultimatum to get DSS to apply himself?

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WerkWerkWork · 18/04/2024 08:17

DSS 16, is a great kid honestly generally he doesn't give us any hassle. His DM gets the hardest end of the deal, which DH and I hate and will do anything to support her. He pushes his boundaries with her more that DH and I, which is hugely unfair. However we all collectively agree that he is overall turning out pretty ok.
DSS's Mum made the decision to educate him privately, although not our choice we agreed to support the financial decision equally. DSS recent report was pretty shocking, all his teachers basically said he should be a straight A student, but he just doesn't apply himself and is getting disruptive to others in class. He has a year and a half to go, and we are all worried that if he doesn't start applying himself the jump in learning will leave him behind. I know the academic route isn't for everyone, but he wants to go to uni - but doesn't know what to study. Without trying he sails through B's. We all want him to realise how bloody lucky he is but he just doesn't. He played football in a developmental team, and stopped suddenly because it was too big a commitment. He had a job recently quit that unexpectedly. We just don't know how to tell him if he doesn't apply himself, life will be hard - that he has a huge opportunity to study what ever he wants, but without the commitment he struggle in that environment.
We have a once in a lifetime holiday about to be booked. Should DH and I be the bad guys and say unless the effort improves it's not going ahead?
This isn't about being a straight A student, it's about him not applying himself and seeing this amazing opportunity that he has in front of him, or is this just him and we need to let him be?

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IlesFlottante · 18/04/2024 10:23

I think YABVU. He sounds like a very normal 16 year old who would be best left to learn his life lessons through natural consequences, like the vast majority do.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/04/2024 10:23

You've said he's an okay kid and he's getting B's. Don't you think the private school is just doing what they're paid for and being tough on him/holding him to high standards so you all can push him to achieve more? Which might not be the right thing to do if he's not genuinely enthused by his studies. I'd say it sounds like he's doing fine and while you should of course talk to him about the disruptive stuff and about applying himself, it's not grounds for ultimatums and punishments. He didn't choose to go to private school and not everyone is a straight A student even if they're theoretically capable of that. There's more to life and there's certainly much worse kids his age so i wouldn't go OTT about this.

RunnerDown · 18/04/2024 10:26

The ADHD suggestion resonates with my personal experience too.

I also don’t think you can make people do things . Especially 16 year old boys. He’s just not going to see the world in the way you do no matter how much you talk to him. And you risk making him feel that your love is dependant on academic achievement.( I understand that this is not your concern- you just dont want him to waste his chances)
Some boys take a while to mature and find their direction in life. My sons are adults now . It took them a bit longer than some of their peers to sort themselves out- but both are now happy and successful. What was happening at 16 bears no resemblance to the final outcome. And both admit they didn’t care about working for exams at school.
I think using the holiday as punishment could backfire big time.
People go through many troubles with their teenage dc. When there are real troubles all you wish for is for your dc to be happy in life. Exam results need to be put in perspective as they are entirely redeemable later in life

Maddy70 · 18/04/2024 10:38

Lay off him. He's in a pressured environment and needs his recreation

Bs across the board will be fine and better than most

oakleaffy · 18/04/2024 10:39

B’s at GCSE are easy peasy. Lots of kids can wing GCSE’s at B without applying themselves.

There used to be a mammoth jump between GCSE and ‘A ‘levels.

Being financially spoiled won’t be doing your stepson any favours.

Being disruptive and a show off at school is completely unacceptable.

Time to get tough!
Get a job&c to pay for stuff for himself.

DogandMog · 18/04/2024 10:40

Agree with Lanawashington & ToBeOrNotToBee. The “doesn’t apply himself” phrase stands out. Story of my school reports. Might just be a phase of teenage brain development, impetuous, distracted by shiny stuff, lack of concept of longer term thinking etc. But I’d read up on inattentive ADHD.

Make sure his diet is good with a full complement of proteins, vitamins and minerals from whole food unprocessed animal products, vegetables, fruit and nuts/seeds in order to have the raw materials to synthesise and transport neurotransmitters for optimal brain functioning. Dopamine & serotonin just don’t happen without a ready supply of the metabolic precursors in the diet.

Look into ADHD life hacks/coping strategies like exercise, list journalling, environment shaping (reduce friction in his space that impedes the flow of connection/impetus to approaching work), “just do one thing” / “just do 5 minutes” / Pomodoro technique etc. There’s also apps for ADHD for planning, accountability etc which could be helpful. Even if it’s not ADHD, they’ll still be helpful for someone who struggles with those aspects.

Mischance · 18/04/2024 12:01

kcchiefette · 18/04/2024 10:16

I think I will be one of few with a different stance on things.

I think theres an incredible amount of pressure on this 16 year old boy.

He was privately educated, had loads of privileged opportunities, he has teachers and parents expecting across the board A grades. He's only a child.

I was a smart cookie. I absolutely smashed my GCSEs but my A Levels went downhill.

The thing is, you have years to resit, to figure out what you want to do. Going to uni is not the be all and end all, and not getting the grade you want first time is not the end of the world.

Let him figure it out himself. Allow him to see where his choices take him. If he doesnt know what he wants to do at uni, you can let him know that its perfectly fine to take a year or two out working or doing some additional courses etc at college before he takes that leap.

I went to uni and my career since has not reflected the course I had completed and now at 30, I am considering going back.

I definitely wouldnt cancel his holiday.

Let him have space to breathe for a bit.

Exactly!

Mischance · 18/04/2024 12:27

My DDs are adults now, but I do remember saying to them that it was their decision as to how much they worked and that I trusted them to make the right decision for them. The last thing I wanted was for them to feel pressured at an age when so much else is going on in their lives - puberty, relationships with the opposite sex etc.

They did fine - they all had degrees and one a PG qualification, and they are all doing well in their lives. They seem to have a good work/life balance and an idea of what is important.

BIossomtoes · 18/04/2024 12:31

From experience they have to learn the hard way. I was that kid and started my degree course when I was 30. My son was even more that kid, he’s about to graduate aged 49 and is currently seeking funding for a PhD. Different people are ready to fulfill their potential at different stages.

From experience also, the more you nag the less he’ll knuckle down.

WerkWerkWork · 22/04/2024 22:24

Sorry for the delay in responding and thanks for all your advice. This isn't about the academic element it's about application, B's are a great result but we think he'll feel the impact of the jump next year.
We had a really good weekend with DSS, DH chatted to him and he explained some challenges he is having with school. We all seemed to be on the same page....until he's gone back to school today and received a written warning for his behaviour. So we thought we'd got to the bottom of it, but clearly not! Not sure where next at this stage.

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Catza · 23/04/2024 06:30

WerkWerkWork · 22/04/2024 22:24

Sorry for the delay in responding and thanks for all your advice. This isn't about the academic element it's about application, B's are a great result but we think he'll feel the impact of the jump next year.
We had a really good weekend with DSS, DH chatted to him and he explained some challenges he is having with school. We all seemed to be on the same page....until he's gone back to school today and received a written warning for his behaviour. So we thought we'd got to the bottom of it, but clearly not! Not sure where next at this stage.

So you talked about his challenges at school and you think just because you had a conversation, these challenges are now null and void? What practical steps did you take to address the challenges he is having? What support was he given?

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 23/04/2024 07:23

Not too sure which educational system he is in or which stage he is at but could this be the school beginning to take steps to ease him out? The school might think it is better that he moves on now of his own volition rather than struggling on and affecting their grades. Where I am in England 16 could be the lead up to GCSEs and the school not being keen on keeping him for A levels.

I would perhaps start having discussions with him about whether that school is the right place for him, partly because it might focus him into deciding he does want to stay and hence work and partly because it might not be the best place for him to be for the next couple of years and it is better to move sooner rather than later.

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