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To file for full CMS or not

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chrislt · 16/04/2024 14:54

Long story short, the father of my unborn son broke up with me last June and he kept me on a string which I regrettably held on to (he is very narcissistic, by mine and his ex girlfriend's account, and I was very manipulated and fogged - details I won't go into).

This ended in me falling pregnant in September, which is when he fully discarded me. I decided to keep the baby which I felt was the right thing to do for me, and I have enough support around me to raise him right.

Baby dad was against the idea of me keeping him, and ultimately decided that he categorically did not want a child with me which is 'why he treats me the way he does', yet also states he will be there as a dad and will financially support him.

His base pay is around £45,000 p/a, and he earns a lot of commission on top. He took home £40,000 just in the month of January, and another £50,000 in the month of February this year. We discussed child support, and he suggested £450 pcm. Having looked at childcare costs, overheads etc and the fact I will be full time parent, I felt this was not enough. Childcare alone will be about £1000 pcm.

I negotiated £700 with him, and he called me a goldigger and it's not his job to support my lifestyle - I should have thought about this before 'getting pregnant'. He said that's ridiculous and not his duty to help just so I can go back to work.

Since then he has warned me that it may now be less than £700 because he may get demoted at any time, or even leave the company, and he has high overheads. However, we work together and I heard that he had bought a brand new Rolex. More than one colleague has confirmed to me that he bought it himself with his own money and it cost him around £20,000 +.
He doesn't seem to have it on show like he used to with his old one, and wants to 'keep it on the low'. He also just got back from a luxury holiday in Dubai driving Ferraris. He is buying a whole house (in London) and is planning a trip to Bali. He drives a very expensive car, has an expensive breed of dog, wears everything designer and eats out everyday.

Last week he had his own baby shower (I cancelled the joint one due to how he was treating me), and he received money from his family to buy things for the baby. There are plenty of things still left to buy, which he has not asked about, nor has he bothered to get. So far, I have purchased every single thing myself, without any help from him, apart from the travel system which he did pay half for. I dare even ask him to contribute to what is left to buy. My wage is £35,000 p/a so I have needed a lot of help from family to provide everything.

He doesn't know, but I am going to file with CMS so I can get the maximum out of him, which will be a whole lot more than what he suggested. (I mentioned this previously and he threatened to fiddle books which he can't as he is employed).

He holds a baby shower (for a baby he didn't want), keeps the money for himself, has not contributed to his unborn son, spends his money wildly, and tries to make out that what I am asking for is unreasonable?

It's not even about the money anymore, it's the fact that he hasn't contributed and is clearly lying and hiding things from me to try and not pay as much. I don't understand how or why you would not want to share your wealth with your child? Or at least provide the minimum to ensure he can go to nursery and live comfortably if you are able to do that?

On a side note, he doesn't really ask much about our unborn son. When he does, he doesn't ask any further probing questions beyond 'how is he doing'.

Am I being unreasonable for being fucking pissed off?

Any advice for what the future may look like trying to 'co-parent' with this type of person? I can imagine, but has anyone actually got experience behind them?

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chrislt · 16/04/2024 19:32

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 16/04/2024 19:28

I get that, but narcissists lie extensively about their earnings/material possessions. Ignore everything he told you. It will be exaggerated.

So your basis for this is working in the same building and seeing the company do well?

Have you seen a payslip. Have you seen any documentation from anyone other than him stating his actually earnings?

I say this as someone who experienced a narcissist faking both bank statements, property documents and even employed someone to Photoshop a passport to pretend he was born somewhere else. You don't realise these kind of twisted people exist until you encounter one. Don't underestimate the level of convincing bullshit on show here.

I suppose the house, car, dog, clothes, the places to took me to, the holiday he goes on, him paying for his team outings etc and also it being a small, but legitimate company all point to his earnings. Also other managers in his position earn around the same as they are paid a certain % of each sale and I monitor income from sales. But yes, he has told some fanciful lies about other things in the past so I wouldnt be surprised if some other information comes out of the woodwork...either way, I feel cms is safer as he has often backtracked on his agreements in the past

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blacksocks33 · 16/04/2024 19:57

TheCheekyKob · 16/04/2024 16:48

Watch him go for 50/50 childcare as quick as he can so he don’t pay.

or leave the country to work.

I was going to say this.

He could go for 50-50. When o asked my ex for a consideration of his CMS payment he told me he was taking me to court because he would rather have the children then pay me anything.
I walked away. I'd rather have my children then anything.

My friends ex didn't want to pay CMS. He room her to court and has the child 50-50. Mainly spent with his mum and after school clubs etc.

Just be careful.

TheCheekyKob · 16/04/2024 22:17

blacksocks33 · 16/04/2024 19:57

I was going to say this.

He could go for 50-50. When o asked my ex for a consideration of his CMS payment he told me he was taking me to court because he would rather have the children then pay me anything.
I walked away. I'd rather have my children then anything.

My friends ex didn't want to pay CMS. He room her to court and has the child 50-50. Mainly spent with his mum and after school clubs etc.

Just be careful.

Exactly this.

and with his income being so high he will just pay for childcare on his time out of spite as he would rather pay for that then pay you.

blacksocks33 · 16/04/2024 23:30

I've seen it time and time over... people post about CMS claims and say the dad wants no involvement and then updates follow of him threatening to take the baby away etc or go to court as soon as the claims come in. It's finical and emotional abuse and so many of us, including me, fall victim to it because we would rather have nothing and have our children!
It also rings some alarm bells him having a baby shower for a baby he intends on having no involvement with?

I don't mean to install fear OP, but just be very careful.

GrumpyPanda · 16/04/2024 23:39

Do you live far enough apart so he can't realistically apply for 50:50? If not, would it be an option to move, maybe apply for transfer to another branch? The way you've described him I wouldn't like bumping into each other at work.

Willyoujustbequiet · 16/04/2024 23:45

BoohooWoohoo · 16/04/2024 19:07

You’ve had some great advice.

Register baby on your own with your surname. Dad can go through the process of being added to the birth certificate later but doing the registration on your own means no risk of an argument on the day. Crap dads often insist on their surname.

Go to CMS but as pp said be ready for him to try and get out of paying you. He could quit his job every time CMS catch up with him, move abroad, go self employed… CMS is based on his income, not assets like savings so his Rolexes and holidays won’t change anything. I’ve read stories on here where dads try and deduct expenses from CM. Going through CMS will stop this kind of games.

Actually they are bringing in legislation so that CMS is not just income based but also includes savings/property income/other assets etc..

Long overdue really.

chrislt · 17/04/2024 02:32

GrumpyPanda · 16/04/2024 23:39

Do you live far enough apart so he can't realistically apply for 50:50? If not, would it be an option to move, maybe apply for transfer to another branch? The way you've described him I wouldn't like bumping into each other at work.

We live within 10 mins of eachother and there is no other branch of our company. Would they even grant him 50:50 if I have evidence of his emotional abuse and texts from him threatening to fiddle books, stating he doesnt want the baby and threatening to go for custody and have me pay him CS?

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blacksocks33 · 17/04/2024 07:10

@chrislt I did alot of research into this and I spoke to two different solicitors when my ex was threatening me.
Nobody can say what he would get. The child's best interest would be the priority, but that does consider spending shared amount of time with both parents. I was told, and others may disagree but this is what I was told, 50-50 is the default/preferred setting.
Emotional abuse to the mother makes no difference (which is absolutely unbelievable and disgusting). The system doesn't protect the child in all situation. It seems like dad can just step up as and when and get a pass to disrupt things.

Sorry to sound bitter. It's a touchy subject which is why I felt I needed to bring it up!

ivs · 17/04/2024 10:32

chrislt · 17/04/2024 02:32

We live within 10 mins of eachother and there is no other branch of our company. Would they even grant him 50:50 if I have evidence of his emotional abuse and texts from him threatening to fiddle books, stating he doesnt want the baby and threatening to go for custody and have me pay him CS?

What he has said to you, while awful, does not mean he will be awful to the child.

Did you not see any evidence of him being an arse when you were together? Did you expect him to be different?

Put in your claim with CMS when you are ready, give the child your surname, and consider if you want to add him to the BC. I know its the childs document, but I think he will cause problems, and do you really want that for the next 18years?

TheCheekyKob · 17/04/2024 23:10

chrislt · 17/04/2024 02:32

We live within 10 mins of eachother and there is no other branch of our company. Would they even grant him 50:50 if I have evidence of his emotional abuse and texts from him threatening to fiddle books, stating he doesnt want the baby and threatening to go for custody and have me pay him CS?

Yes of course they will if he try’s enough.

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