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No children in pub after 5pm

581 replies

SweetSouls · 15/04/2024 10:16

My local banned children after 7pm a few years ago.

This seemed unnecessary to me, but I suppose that's after 'bed time' so I could sort of see the logic. Adult time etc.

On Saturday I went to stop there for a drink in the afternoon, and they have now banned children after 5pm.

This seems very odd to me given it's an area that people move to with their families. It's not some town centre boozer, it's surrounded by housing.

Is this just not terrible business? I do not get it at all.

It was almost empty, incidentally, at 5.15 on a Saturday afternoon.

OP posts:
Needanewname42 · 15/04/2024 21:08

Thulpelly · 15/04/2024 16:31

What is this mumsnet thing of saying ‘their choice’ when people make terrible decisions? ‘Their wedding, their choice.
‘Their business, their choice’

Obviously it’s ‘their choice’, but you can still question it… especially on an anonymous forum!

Well really it's short hand for it's their decision they must have some sort of reason and logic behind their reasoning.

To others it might not make business sense but it might make prefect sense to the publican.

The pub might be happy to have family lunches. And happy to have older kids / teens with bowl of chips, technically having food, with parents watching the football but want them out before the evening starts. And before someone slips them more than just the coke.

Allfur · 15/04/2024 21:12

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 20:18

Pubs used to be adults only. Drinking, smoking, chatting, swearing and the occasional punch up. Most pubs now are just glorified restaurants.

Pubs used to be men only for the most part, whilst the women stayed at home looking after the kids. Glad things have moved on from the dark ages.

Allfur · 15/04/2024 21:14

crockofshite · 15/04/2024 20:18

It's lack of parenting skills that creates monster children. Blame the parents.

Should we blame the parents for drunken male behaviour?

Curtainsforus · 15/04/2024 21:14

DianaTaverner · 15/04/2024 21:08

It's fine for them to eat earlier, but they have to accept the risk of encountering children.

I'm sure they are thrilled to have your permission😀

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 21:15

Work used to be men only and women stayed at home and looked after the kids.

crockofshite · 15/04/2024 21:20

Allfur · 15/04/2024 21:14

Should we blame the parents for drunken male behaviour?

Yes of course. Where were his parents? Not teaching their kids how to behave.

Arseholes beget arseholes .

LolaSmiles · 15/04/2024 21:22

Pubs used to be adults only. Drinking, smoking, chatting, swearing and the occasional punch up. Most pubs now are just glorified restaurants.
A lot of that is linked to making enough money to survive as a business, not helped by the cheap alcohol sold in shops and the PubCo model where it's very hard for landlords to run a business.

The drinking pubs near me are regularly changing hands and I suspect it's because the culture has changed from men coming home from work and going down the pub.

The decent pubs that do well in my area are the ones who are family friendly during the day and serve food, but on the evening they're adult pubs with a food area and a traditional pub area.

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 15/04/2024 21:25

GR8GAL · 15/04/2024 10:42

From reading the comments, I suppose mine would be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think children belong in environments where alcohol is being consumes in large quantities at all. There is enough of a drinking problem in this part of the world that we don't need to normalise drinking in front of impressionable children.

Completely agree. I think the 5pm time is very reasonable; you can get your Sunday lunch with all the kids, but then clear out before the evening crowd appears.

I don't care to see kids in pubs at all, to be honest. Beer garden on a weekend afternoon with a playground? Fine. Otherwise I don't think it's appropriate.

Shaketherombooga · 15/04/2024 21:26

‘Pubs aren’t for kids.’

that very much depends on the pub. Round here there are pubs that are very much, family friendly, dog friendly, serve good food, etc Great for meet ups with friends and family, somewhere to take grandma for weekend lunch.

Then there are the sports bar types that are rowdy and full of blokes being arseholes,barely any women let alone kids
then bars with music/ DJ/ themed very much aimed at adults and childfree even though most allow kids til 8.30pm…

In my small town at home the one decent pub is multipurpose and depending on the day/time/ occasion can have all sorts of people, kids, dogs, tourists or whomever in it.

Shaketherombooga · 15/04/2024 21:28

‘Completely agree. I think the 5pm time is very reasonable; you can get your Sunday lunch with all the kids, but then clear out before the evening crowd appears.’

oh sod off. We have sports matches and other stuff on Sundays quite often til 3 or 4pm THEN we go for a late lunch - Di tasting what time kids can be in a pub from or to is up to the owner ( within local licence laws obvs)

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 15/04/2024 21:32

Redherringgull · 15/04/2024 11:27

Sometimes I like to go to an adult orientated place and bring my kids with me. Shocker, I know! Why should everything in our lives be child-centric? Sometimes we parents need a break. I hate soft play and playgrounds but I love the pub. I'm lucky, as my kids also love going to the pub.

I wouldn't take them to a proper boozer style pub, but we go for dinner quite regularly, albeit an early lunch or dinner. I think the latest they've ever been in a pub is 7:30/8pm. We've got 3 kids under 5.

Nobody wants three preschoolers in a pub of an evening. That actually sounds really grim. If you want an adults oriented place, hire a babysitter.

DoubleBingo · 15/04/2024 21:32

There are plenty of restaurants where children are welcome and where adults can drink alcohol if they want to. Pubs in the evening are for adults to be able to socialise. There are very few places adults can go and relax, whereas there are countless places aimed at families.

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 15/04/2024 21:35

SweetSouls · 15/04/2024 12:22

Go to Southern Europe and you’ll see lots of kids out (including late in the evening) eating meals etc.

(noting that I already said I had sympathy with barring children after a certain time for ‘adult time).

Just because some kids can’t behave, seems unfair to ban all kids. And much like @ArseInTheCoOpWindow it seems to stop a lot of other customers coming at all, even without their kids in tow.

Eating in meals in restaurants, not in bars.

Cammac · 15/04/2024 21:35

Curtainsforus · 15/04/2024 20:45

Because it suits us and the dog is warmly welcomed.

It suits you to take your dog to a pub just as it suits OP to take her DC to pub. Some people will warmly welcome your dog or OPs kids. Most won’t.

I enjoy a kid and dog free eating experience every now and again. Hence why I leave my kids and dogs at home. I don’t want to have to suffer other peoples unruly kids - or pampered pooches.

Thank God our local pub/restaurant have taken on board what punters want and have made our local a child/dog free zone. His business is now doing a roaring trade as he has piqued the interest of customers from other establishments who welcome a child/dog free night out.

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 21:35

Kids have been allowed to be upfront and centre in too much. Look at the state of discipline in schools. No one can tell them off or put them straight without a backlash. World has gone mad

XenoBitch · 15/04/2024 21:42

Cammac · 15/04/2024 21:35

It suits you to take your dog to a pub just as it suits OP to take her DC to pub. Some people will warmly welcome your dog or OPs kids. Most won’t.

I enjoy a kid and dog free eating experience every now and again. Hence why I leave my kids and dogs at home. I don’t want to have to suffer other peoples unruly kids - or pampered pooches.

Thank God our local pub/restaurant have taken on board what punters want and have made our local a child/dog free zone. His business is now doing a roaring trade as he has piqued the interest of customers from other establishments who welcome a child/dog free night out.

A well behaved pub dog tends to just lie under the table.
How man kids are just sat at a table in a pub?

Curtainsforus · 15/04/2024 21:42

@Cammac I understand your preferences and you understand mine and whilst the pubs we go to are more than happy to host my dog, we'll happily take him with us. Kids are fine until they are not and then we'll exercise our preference and go elsewhere - no dramas.

Shaketherombooga · 15/04/2024 21:43

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 21:35

Kids have been allowed to be upfront and centre in too much. Look at the state of discipline in schools. No one can tell them off or put them straight without a backlash. World has gone mad

Brilliant! My great grandad use to go off like that about kids in the 80s - apparently everyone needed a good war to sort them out.

Allfur · 15/04/2024 21:48

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 21:35

Kids have been allowed to be upfront and centre in too much. Look at the state of discipline in schools. No one can tell them off or put them straight without a backlash. World has gone mad

I thought school behaviour had got worse since covid? Hardly an example of kids being put upfront and centre

Tandora · 15/04/2024 21:55

Some of the comments on this thread are weird. It depends on the pub, but plenty of pubs are totally fine and normal places to take children. It’s just somewhere - like a restaurant- where you can go eat some food and have a drink, often in a slightly cosier / more relaxed atmosphere than a restaurant. (And traditional pub food is something that a lot of people like, hence choosing to eat lunch or dinner in a pub.). Lots of pubs have kids menus , high chairs, and some hVe play areas!. I often take my kids to eat at a pub. I have never once “got sloshed” while they were with me. 🥴

Cammac · 15/04/2024 21:57

XenoBitch · 15/04/2024 21:42

A well behaved pub dog tends to just lie under the table.
How man kids are just sat at a table in a pub?

Well behaved being the key. Theres no guarantee that a dog will be more well behaved than a child. Both are a PITA when you’ve left yours at home, expecting a kid/dog free night. My dog is well behaved and will lie under the table. She’d get nothing from doing so and would prefer to be home with no cooking smells, people wanting to stroke her and unruly kids running around, screeching.

IcedPurple · 15/04/2024 21:59

Lots of pubs have kids menus , high chairs, and some hVe play areas!. I often take my kids to eat at a pub.

Sounds grim. Less like a 'pub' than one of those awful 'family friendly restaurants'.

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 22:01

Allfur · 15/04/2024 21:48

I thought school behaviour had got worse since covid? Hardly an example of kids being put upfront and centre

I thought since covid a lot of kids hadn’t gone back to school? Probably too busy up the pub. Look around at what is happening. Pamper parties for 5 year olds. Crop tops for primary school little girls. Ruling the roost in the schools. Teachers dare not tell them off. They know their “rights”. When I was a kid, kids were kids, not mini adults expecting some sort of deference.. That has to be earned.

ilovesooty · 15/04/2024 22:02

IcedPurple · 15/04/2024 21:59

Lots of pubs have kids menus , high chairs, and some hVe play areas!. I often take my kids to eat at a pub.

Sounds grim. Less like a 'pub' than one of those awful 'family friendly restaurants'.

That's certainly not a proper pub.

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 15/04/2024 22:03

IcedPurple · 15/04/2024 21:59

Lots of pubs have kids menus , high chairs, and some hVe play areas!. I often take my kids to eat at a pub.

Sounds grim. Less like a 'pub' than one of those awful 'family friendly restaurants'.

God yeh. Take em to Legoland