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No children in pub after 5pm

581 replies

SweetSouls · 15/04/2024 10:16

My local banned children after 7pm a few years ago.

This seemed unnecessary to me, but I suppose that's after 'bed time' so I could sort of see the logic. Adult time etc.

On Saturday I went to stop there for a drink in the afternoon, and they have now banned children after 5pm.

This seems very odd to me given it's an area that people move to with their families. It's not some town centre boozer, it's surrounded by housing.

Is this just not terrible business? I do not get it at all.

It was almost empty, incidentally, at 5.15 on a Saturday afternoon.

OP posts:
Lavenderflower · 15/04/2024 17:22

I think it depends on the setting. There are some pubs where is more food and family orientated and others that are more geared to drinking. Its not the best place after certain hours.

Viviennemary · 15/04/2024 17:24

Children can be an awful nuisance in pubs so I don't blame pubs from banning them. Folk go to pubs to escape hassle.

Cailin66 · 15/04/2024 17:24

Allfur · 15/04/2024 11:17

Perhaps it's a family holiday in the UK - are parents allowed to dine out with their kids in the evening then, as they do on the continent?

People on the continent dine in restaurants with their children, not in pubs.

AllyCart · 15/04/2024 17:25

These threads always descend into the "in Spain/Italy/France children are very welcome everywhere..." type arguments.

People seem to forget that they're almost always seeing this from the perspective of holiday resorts, not run-of-the mill towns and villages.

I constantly travel Europe and much further afield on business and I certainly don't see bars full of children across Europe. Go to a town outside the coastal resorts in Spain and you barely see children in bars at all.

upthehills1 · 15/04/2024 17:31

5:15pm isn’t dinner time yet. It does seem early but from 6pm they obviously just want adult dining which is fair enough. Looks like they are happy with them there fir lunch, 5pm is that middle time, or post work drinks.

Is the dining space small or often full? Children aren’t profitable I’m afraid. They don’t eat much and don’t drink alcohol. Seats filled with adults are more profitable.

Otherstories2002 · 15/04/2024 17:32

It’s an establishment that makes money selling alcohol. Kids are not the appropriate clients to be targeting and their presence puts people off.

go to a restaurant / park / soft play.

Anonymous2025 · 15/04/2024 17:33

AllyCart · 15/04/2024 17:25

These threads always descend into the "in Spain/Italy/France children are very welcome everywhere..." type arguments.

People seem to forget that they're almost always seeing this from the perspective of holiday resorts, not run-of-the mill towns and villages.

I constantly travel Europe and much further afield on business and I certainly don't see bars full of children across Europe. Go to a town outside the coastal resorts in Spain and you barely see children in bars at all.

I’ve lived in all the countries you mentioned and a couple more and it’s not a myth it happens , just a few days ago we went out for dinner in Portugal and stayed up until midnight and lots if families where still there including ones with babies

AllyCart · 15/04/2024 17:34

Anonymous2025 · 15/04/2024 17:33

I’ve lived in all the countries you mentioned and a couple more and it’s not a myth it happens , just a few days ago we went out for dinner in Portugal and stayed up until midnight and lots if families where still there including ones with babies

In a bar or restaurant?

Grenwyn · 15/04/2024 17:38

Find a family friendly one or go to a restaurant? Most people hate kids in pubs. I can't remember the last time I saw children in a pub past lunchtime, so I think the 5pm rule is fine.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/04/2024 17:40

AllyCart · 15/04/2024 17:34

In a bar or restaurant?

Yes in my experience in Portugal proper local bars in villages & towns are full of mostly men drinking and watching football. No food is served at all

Livelovebehappy · 15/04/2024 17:40

SweetSouls · 15/04/2024 12:22

Go to Southern Europe and you’ll see lots of kids out (including late in the evening) eating meals etc.

(noting that I already said I had sympathy with barring children after a certain time for ‘adult time).

Just because some kids can’t behave, seems unfair to ban all kids. And much like @ArseInTheCoOpWindow it seems to stop a lot of other customers coming at all, even without their kids in tow.

To be honest though, most other European countries seem to parent their children better, and raise them to behave in settings where there’s drink and food being consumed. When abroad, I can always tell the nationality of those kids running riot around the dining tables versus the ones sitting politely and nicely at the table. 99% of the time the badly parented ones belong to the Brits I’m afraid.

WhatsMyEmail · 15/04/2024 17:40

Good for them. I'd actively seek them out for afterwork drinks or a night out with my husband!

The number of kids I see running around tables in pubs while staff are trying to carry food is astonishing. I can totally see this being an insurance issue.

ghostyslovesheets · 15/04/2024 17:42

IcedPurple · 15/04/2024 17:05

I see we're at that stage in the discussion where all 'Mediterranean' children are impeccably behaved, never get fat or obnoxious, and everyone 'on the continent' just loves being surrounded by children at all hours of the day or night.

I've seen and heard plenty of bratty, bored 'Mediterranean' kids. In any case, we are not in Spain or Italy. Some people like adult only spaces. Mind you, I bet many do 'on the continent' too.

Edited

Yes my favourite part of the debate -all European children sit still, behave impeccably and eat everything!

Years of travel in Europe (including working in restaurants) I can safely say they are kids! Often in feral holiday mode, often snot/ice cream covered, usually stuffing chips down their faces by the pool, moaning at the dinner table, on Ipads, asleep in pushchairs and screeching like banshees - honestly children don't have some genetic difference because they (luckily) have red passports!

Grenwyn · 15/04/2024 17:46

I think people are getting confused with restaurants that have a bar and actual pubs that don't serve food in the evenings.

OldSchoolCasualty · 15/04/2024 17:47

a RESTAURANT near me has a no children under 7 after 5pm rule. Which isn't even dinnertime! they've lost a good few hundred ££ worth of custom from I and my extended family now. It's in a family friendly seaside town as well. tragic.

Maverickess · 15/04/2024 17:48

Vod · 15/04/2024 14:32

It might be terrible business, or it might not be, but their call either way. Time will tell.

Either way, it's daft when people talk about fairness in relation to what clientele a venue aims itself at. The pub is entitled to pitch at whatever custom they want, within the law. They've no obligation to provide you with your preferred option OP, and the same is equally true for the people in the thread who think pubs should be adult only.

The pub is entitled to pitch at whatever custom they want, within the law. They've no obligation to provide you with your preferred option OP, and the same is equally true for the people in the thread who think pubs should be adult only.

Well therein lies the rub, a fair few people think that anywhere they choose to go does have the obligation to provide them with their preferred option - even if it's not offered by that venue.

Rather than find somewhere that does cater to
their preference, people want to go anywhere and have their preference catered to regardless, and clearly think they have the right to demand this, or threads like this wouldn't exist.

Gettingonmygoat · 15/04/2024 17:50

Allfur · 15/04/2024 16:08

Its a lovely mixture of families and childless people of all ages, couldn't be further from a playground.

Glad to hear it.

Verv · 15/04/2024 17:53

OldSchoolCasualty · 15/04/2024 17:47

a RESTAURANT near me has a no children under 7 after 5pm rule. Which isn't even dinnertime! they've lost a good few hundred ££ worth of custom from I and my extended family now. It's in a family friendly seaside town as well. tragic.

TBF they've probably gained some adult custom to balance it out.

IcedPurple · 15/04/2024 17:58

Anonymous2025 · 15/04/2024 17:33

I’ve lived in all the countries you mentioned and a couple more and it’s not a myth it happens , just a few days ago we went out for dinner in Portugal and stayed up until midnight and lots if families where still there including ones with babies

Are we supposed to think it's admirable for young children to be up at nearly midnight? Just because it's supposedly done 'on the continent'?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/04/2024 17:59

Works for me; I'm getting sick and tired of those who seem to confuse "family friendly" with an invitation to let their kids behave exactly as they want and never mind anyone else

It would be different if they banned kids completely, but they already have the rest of the opening hours to climb, race and shriek, so it doesn't seem too much to ask that the rest of us get a bit of peace in the evenings

thepastinsidethepresent · 15/04/2024 17:59

Wornoutlady · 15/04/2024 17:21

Isn't it enough for the pub to allow kids in the daytime? I remember in the 1970s going to the pub on a w'end with my dad, having a packet of crisps, a pickled egg and a bottle of lemonade. There was a garden out the back and some geese (who chased me). It was fantastic as an occasional trip, but who wants to sit in a dark pub at night with their parents, unless they're having dinner?

Same here except it was a bottle of Coke for me. That Coke and the crisps felt like such a treat! 😄

Atethehalloweenchocs · 15/04/2024 18:02

Sounds brilliant!

Zodfa · 15/04/2024 18:05

Perhaps it's an oddity of my pub going habits, but I never see children in pubs! (And I do go to quite a range, at different times.)

Plenty of adults in pubs are capable of being just an antisocial as children manage in other contexts.

User1979289 · 15/04/2024 18:12

Sadly they will have banned all because of the behaviour of a few

tuvamoodyson · 15/04/2024 18:16

#teampub