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To feel that sad that basic cooking skills are dying out

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SingleDoubleWhippedClotted · 14/04/2024 19:15

Me and my brother were taught to cook by my gran and mum. Dad used to cook too but worked away a lot so wasn't around as much.

So many people now seem to be incapable of basic food prep and spend a fortune on food. Cooking seems to be an undervalued life skill, I think its so important to have the skills to be able to prepare simple cheap healthy meals.

I have taught my teen to cook and she could fend for herself if she left home tomorrow. She can cook healthy cheap meals.

I see so many threads on here where people can't boil rice, boil an egg etc

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sashh · 16/04/2024 06:40

Gwenhwyfar · 15/04/2024 13:55

I know that I sometimes find it hard to follow recipes without being able to google too eg to find out what the ingredients are and what kind of section of the supermarket I will find them in, understand some cooking terms eg 'brown' the onions.
Videos are very good though.

I recommend Reader's Digest Complete Guide to Cookery. It isn't a recipe book as such it teaches you about cooking techniques and things like what the terms mean. Where different cuts of meat come from, the difference between types of rice etc.

I had mine from the 1980s I think, then a fiend 'borrowed' it and I bought it again.

I do think cook books / recipe books have changed. I have a very dogeared old M and S book, again from the 1980s and the main difference between it and more modern books is that it uses the occasional packet or tin.

I remember in the 1970s there being books issued by manufacturers, often small paperback books all using whatever they were selling, so Stork or Bero.

BarrelOfOtters · 16/04/2024 06:52

I learned to cook from the Bero book. My mum was a very good cook but went on strike in her 50s so it was ready meals (just starting then), find us crispy pancakes or cook.

I’m a good cook now, quite enjoy it, watch food programmes or you tube, lived in houseshares with good cooks and picked up tips. Taught my husband to cook.

Fimofriend · 16/04/2024 07:10

@fieldsofbutterflies My DH's parents didn't even teach him how to boil a potato. When he moved away from them he bought a cook book. When I met him three months later he was very good at cooking.

Delawear · 16/04/2024 08:21

Food price inflation has made the consequences being unable to cook more severe.

It’s possible to live entirely on ready made food and still maintain good health if you have a decent budget to buy in meals made with good quality ingredients. I can cook but I bought in some meals when I had a high paid job with long hours that made me time poor. So I do understand that.

But a lot of families now don’t have enough budget to buy in good quality ready to eat food, so end up cutting other expenses, such as not using the heating, or buying the kinds of foods that will cause future health problems.

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fieldsofbutterflies · 16/04/2024 08:57

Catsmere · 15/04/2024 22:03

Similar, @PianPianPiano. My grandmother had to cook for twelve during the Depression and Mum remembered her as a lousy cook. Mum only learned when she got married.

It reminds me of all the threads about husbands who think they can cook but apparently can’t.

just because someone can (on paper) follow a recipe and get a meal on the table, doesn’t mean it’s actually decent or edible 😉

Nannyogg134 · 16/04/2024 09:03

I feel like the OP just wanted us all to say well done, you're an excellent cook and you're a saint for teaching the poor to do it too.

user1473069303 · 16/04/2024 09:30

I recommend this recipe for quick macaroni cheese:

https://www.seriouseats.com/ingredient-stovetop-mac-and-cheese-recipe

I add nutmeg, cayenne pepper and a knob of butter to mine.

Thepowerhouseofthecell · 16/04/2024 09:30

I'm surprised at the examples of rice and eggs because I feel like 'vegan chickpea curry with rice' and 'poached eggs with avocado on sourdough toast' are the sort of things people cook now. Along with everyone making thier own hummus and baking banana bread.
People still cook it's just not all roast dinners any more.

Temushopper · 16/04/2024 10:03

I do think school cooking is weird. My Y5 daughter had to bring in ingredients to make a sandwich and that was one of her lessons. It surprised me a 9/10 year old wouldn’t already know how to do basic bits of cooking particularly after the lockdowns when they were stuck at home with parents for weeks on end

sashh · 16/04/2024 10:19

@Temushopper

I started high school the same day as my cousin and next door neighbour.

At my school we made something like date crispies or buns or something. My cousin made a piece of toast and a cup of tea.

The next door neighbour at the same school as my cousin made a sandwich.

You would think children would already be able to do those things but if you are from a family where sandwiches are not part of the culture and you have had school dinners you might not have those skills.

You may well have other skills though.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 16/04/2024 10:22

gannett · 14/04/2024 19:18

I'm someone who's incapable of basic food prep and can't really cook, I'm lucky to have a partner who loves cooking. I just wasn't taught by my parents at any point (and am also clumsy, undexterous and panicky in the kitchen). I agree it's sad and I wish this wasn't the case. What's your solution? Would you teach it in schools?

Practice makes perfect...dont leave all the burden to your partner... You will be undesteroux if you never practice ....

CaribouCarafe · 16/04/2024 10:31

Moreorlessmentallystable · 16/04/2024 10:22

Practice makes perfect...dont leave all the burden to your partner... You will be undesteroux if you never practice ....

Just adding to this, I'm dyspraxic and clumsy too - just take things slow and be kind to yourself, don't rush (speed comes naturally the more you do something). Everyone is crap at chopping veggies when they first start, then they get better - I promise!

Try to start with one-pot recipes, preferably stuff that takes a while to simmer. Multi-pan meals, oven recipes, and fried meals are the enemy of someone new to cooking as it's either a lot happening all at once, it all happens too fast/can burn easily, or you have no chance to adapt and modify after you get started.

At least with a simmering pot you get to taste the food as it cooks and adjust the salt levels etc until you like what it tastes like.

Delawear · 16/04/2024 11:22

Nannyogg134 · 16/04/2024 09:03

I feel like the OP just wanted us all to say well done, you're an excellent cook and you're a saint for teaching the poor to do it too.

I agree. Quietly judgemental people running classes in church halls sounds an unappealing way to learn. There are a ton of free cooking resources online.

Delawear · 16/04/2024 11:29

CaribouCarafe · 16/04/2024 10:31

Just adding to this, I'm dyspraxic and clumsy too - just take things slow and be kind to yourself, don't rush (speed comes naturally the more you do something). Everyone is crap at chopping veggies when they first start, then they get better - I promise!

Try to start with one-pot recipes, preferably stuff that takes a while to simmer. Multi-pan meals, oven recipes, and fried meals are the enemy of someone new to cooking as it's either a lot happening all at once, it all happens too fast/can burn easily, or you have no chance to adapt and modify after you get started.

At least with a simmering pot you get to taste the food as it cooks and adjust the salt levels etc until you like what it tastes like.

Agree with all this.

I’m a fairly confident cook but DIY is my nemesis. My tip is to find tools that make whatever you find challenging easier. For instance, I have weak wrists and fingers, so an electric screwdriver was a good investment. It feels counter intuitive for someone without much interest to invest in gadgets but for me, it was a game changer.

If chopping is something you struggle with, for example, would a food processor be useful? See if a friend will lend you one to try out.

fieldsofbutterflies · 16/04/2024 11:35

The thing with "practise makes perfect" is it costs time and money to practise, and most people aren't going to bother if there's a risk that the end result will be completely inedible or wasted.

Catsmere · 16/04/2024 11:35

fieldsofbutterflies · 16/04/2024 08:57

It reminds me of all the threads about husbands who think they can cook but apparently can’t.

just because someone can (on paper) follow a recipe and get a meal on the table, doesn’t mean it’s actually decent or edible 😉

Ain't that the truth!

I still remember how bad the one and only sponge cake I made (at school, when we had to) was. It was on the solid side.

Ineedcoffee2021 · 16/04/2024 11:51

I can cook basic meals of stuff i like but have no interest in learning more or care if ive covered xyz on a health basis - taste, time and convenience are top 3 considerations
I hate cooking and i mean hate it, its tedious, boring, messy and i have little interest in food. When i cook, i lose my appetite, sick of looking at it by time its ready

Takeaway is cooked for me, value wise works out cheaper for many things with just 3 of us and me and dd have a tiny appetite as it is and little mess
We dont like leftovers
We eat based on what we feel like, not what will make use of stuff in pantry and eating something just cos its there

Wolfen · 16/04/2024 11:54

I don't know why op is getting a hard time. Don't let comments here get you down op. What you're doing is so needed. People here don't actually know what it's like for some families or even some communities.

There are lots of people who don't know how to cook at all. They think it's something that's really difficult.
They consider cooking to be putting frozen foods in the oven or boiling pasta to eat with hot dogs.
I've heard comments from people that they think making home made pasta sauce means you must be on a level with Gordon Ramsey. I've heard children wishing that their parent would make meals like spaghetti bolognese because that's what they've heard other families do.
It's no judgement on the parents because they are where they are due to their circumstances but don't be naive in thinking this isn't going on.
Any yes, it is sad. It's a small thing but can make a massive difference to some peoples health, well-being and outcomes.

RichardsGear · 16/04/2024 12:02

SpaceOP · 15/04/2024 17:33

I think as a rule, dishes that involve quite a lot of time and effort are considered old fashioned. So it's absolutely true that lasagna and cauliflower cheese are still popular, but I am not sure they're done as often - they're time consuming, have lots of different elements etc. Plus, I think a lot of people make an effort to make their food less heavy, which of course, cuts out anything with a cheese sauce as a rule! Grin

It's like sausages and mash - not a terribly complicated meal. But one I don't make very often any more because frankly, it is a faff. I have to peel the potatoes, cook the potatoes, mash the potatoes, grill the sausages while carefully keeping an eye on them so they don't burn, then make some kind of gravy or sauce AND some veg on the side. Chopping up a big pile of vegetables, slicing some meat/or chicken and doing a quick stir fry with some wok noodles or rice and a "sauce" of lime juice and soy is a lot easier and less faff.

I sometimes do schnitzels with a cheese sauce. We all like it. But it's about a million calories per portion, involves at least 2 pots and one pan, boards etc etc etc. It's definitely more hassle.

Two words: frozen mash.

sashh · 16/04/2024 13:22

SpaceOP · 15/04/2024 17:33

I think as a rule, dishes that involve quite a lot of time and effort are considered old fashioned. So it's absolutely true that lasagna and cauliflower cheese are still popular, but I am not sure they're done as often - they're time consuming, have lots of different elements etc. Plus, I think a lot of people make an effort to make their food less heavy, which of course, cuts out anything with a cheese sauce as a rule! Grin

It's like sausages and mash - not a terribly complicated meal. But one I don't make very often any more because frankly, it is a faff. I have to peel the potatoes, cook the potatoes, mash the potatoes, grill the sausages while carefully keeping an eye on them so they don't burn, then make some kind of gravy or sauce AND some veg on the side. Chopping up a big pile of vegetables, slicing some meat/or chicken and doing a quick stir fry with some wok noodles or rice and a "sauce" of lime juice and soy is a lot easier and less faff.

I sometimes do schnitzels with a cheese sauce. We all like it. But it's about a million calories per portion, involves at least 2 pots and one pan, boards etc etc etc. It's definitely more hassle.

Other than frozen mash the way I make sausage and mash.

Chop the potatoes without peeling and put in a pan with salt and boiling water. I sometimes use a mix of potato and parsnips. Other veg can go in a steamer over the pan.

Get a frying pan, add a small amount of fat and your sausages. I like onion gravy so I put onion in at the same time. Frozen chopped onions are as good as fresh.

Brown the sausages on all sides, then add some flour to the pan, stir in with a wooden spoon and add boiling water and a stock cube to make gravy.

Leave to simmer so the gravy thickens a little.

Get a glass of wine.

When the potatoes are ready drain them and mash in the pan (mash or use a ricer or a stick blender).

Serve.

Chatonette · 16/04/2024 18:39

Raised on UPFs with a mother who didn’t really cook and taught myself. Tonight’s dinner: chicken breast, mushrooms, frozen spinach, chicken stock cube, onion granules, garlic granules, black pepper, double cream. Plus potatoes air fried with a bit of unsalted butter. (Not a professional food photographer!)

To feel that sad that basic cooking skills are dying out
OnlyTheBravest · 16/04/2024 19:18

I think there are those that can cook but are time poor, those that deny being able to cook but make little effort and expect others to do it for them and there are those that were not taught cooking skills but are blessed with resilience and perseverance and taught themselves.

My school cooking classes were diabolical. DC classes were much better, they had a very good teacher and learnt how to make stir fries and more modern cuisine. My DC have always been in the kitchen with me and can cook for themselves, as can their friends. However I am aware of people who do not cook from scratch. They do exist but with the advent of the internet/popular cooking shows and both sexes expected to be able to cook the numbers are greatly reduced.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/04/2024 22:08

Temushopper · 16/04/2024 10:03

I do think school cooking is weird. My Y5 daughter had to bring in ingredients to make a sandwich and that was one of her lessons. It surprised me a 9/10 year old wouldn’t already know how to do basic bits of cooking particularly after the lockdowns when they were stuck at home with parents for weeks on end

We had open/Scandinavian sandwich in the first year of secondary and this was almost 40 years ago!