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Training others to take over your work?

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DefyingDepravity · 09/04/2024 17:33

I'm a freelancer, and I've been brought in on a part-time basis by an arts organisation for some years now where I've originated a really specific strand of work for them for a very complex audience, which was my suggestion and was a brand new, innovative area of practice and expertise. The organisation has won awards as a result of the work I've developed, and we're regularly fully booked, and the feedback remains insanely brilliant.

As a result of this work, this practice has become the core of what I offer as a freelancer and I am now regularly sought after by other organisations to develop something similar with and for them though using different models for delivery.

I love my original client very much. They are also close to home, they are my bread and butter each month when all other contracts vary hugely, so I need them as much as they need me...or so I thought.

They've approached me now to ask if I would train some other people to be able to do what I do. They would like a few short basic training sessions, then I design each project, and then these other people add capacity to the programme so I keep on delivering my bit but they come on board to offer more sessions. The organisation knows I have capacity to deliver more sessions and, much as I like the people they want me to train, they do not have the same level of skill and knowledge that I have and nor will I be able to transpose all that skill and knowledge through a few training sessions either - it would result in something very superficial, which, to me, isn't good enough. What I do is built around me, who I am, and my way of doing things, it may not work when handed over to others and I do not want something that is unique, working brilliantly, and that creates impact to become something mechanical and generic just so other people can add capacity. There is also no indication either that more sessions will actually be required, so I could go to all the effort of training people, developing new projects and teaching it all to new facilitators, but then little gets used. I would get paid for all the training, development, etc.

I feel really bruised by this, but I don't know if that's reasonable or rational (I'm neurodivergent and have RSD). It feels like the organisation thinks anyone can do what I can do, and that I should just be generous and lovely and hand it all over to others. I could use more income from more sessions, if I deliver more sessions then the integrity and quality of the programme is guaranteed and that matters to me, the audience, and I would have thought the organisation too. I get that it's lovely to develop other people, but by doing so I feel like I will be giving away the best bits of myself and my body of work.

I don't want to give an ultimatum and say no, if this is what you want to do, then I'm out and good luck with it as I've invested years of my life and passion into the project, but at the same time it would kill me to know that I have trained someone else to run a session based on all my creativity, skills, knowledge, and experience that they then get paid for and that I have no involvement with; the sessions will be coordinated and line managed by employed staff at the organisation so I won't get to see the work in action. If anyone can do what I do once I train them then what's the point in me being there any more?

I feel really stuck and stressed in trying to work out how to respond. AIBU?

Note: Any new freelancers brought in to deliver are paid the same as me, none of us have contracts as it's a rolling and ad hoc agreement, so there are no terms and conditions in place nor any financial hierarchy other than when someone else delivers my work, I don't get paid.

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Needanewnamebeingwatched · 09/04/2024 17:38

Can you protect this niche market copy right or something?

And no I wouldnt train someone else up, because they will pay them less and you will be out the door.

MartinLewisIsAmazing · 09/04/2024 17:39

I think you'd both be training yourself out of a job, and allowing your name to remain associated with a less good version of the thing actually 🧐.

DefyingDepravity · 09/04/2024 17:42

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 09/04/2024 17:38

Can you protect this niche market copy right or something?

And no I wouldnt train someone else up, because they will pay them less and you will be out the door.

Sadly, no, as the project is in the arts, copyright always rests with the artist (me), but it would be complicated to enact it this in reality. We have a bit of a grey area around who owns what in terms of whether my work is fully my work, or if it's partly owned by the organisation too as they commissioned it and pay for it. I contribute a lot of money to the work too as the budget they give never covers the actual costs either.

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DefyingDepravity · 09/04/2024 17:47

MartinLewisIsAmazing · 09/04/2024 17:39

I think you'd both be training yourself out of a job, and allowing your name to remain associated with a less good version of the thing actually 🧐.

This is my worry. That would make me so sad - both for the audience and for myself. Ouch.

But how do I say that to the organisation? I'm really stuck for an assertive but polite response that doesn't make me sound like a diva.

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witheringrowan · 09/04/2024 17:48

Two options:

  1. If you really don't want to train others, I would just politely say that you are sorry, but training is not a service you feel able to offer. Teaching others to do something is a very different skill to being able to just do it yourself & I wouldn't expect everyone to be happy or comfortable to do it.

  2. If the main concern is more about whether the training is enough to get people up to the standard you expect to deliver programs you have designed, go back to them with a detailed proposal of how much work it would need beyond their short basic session idea - they can then make a decision if it's worth investing that much. You could also think about t&cs & quality assurance process under which you would be happy for them to deliver your projects. This can be a negotiation, you don't have to go with exactly what they have suggested - presumably if you are designing the project, your name is still on it, and you need to think about what you want to have in place to make sure your professional reputation is preserved.

MartinLewisIsAmazing · 09/04/2024 17:49

I'm not completely sure either - can you say something about not being a training provider, and wanting to continue to ensure the delivery of a high quality X.

I'd ask chatGPT to get a starting point actually.

Ticktapticktap · 09/04/2024 17:55

I work in this field as an employee but have also done years in a similar freelance role to you.

I think they will know that you are rate and talented because good freelancers are really hard to find and trust. But they're worried they can't keep relying on a freelancer forever for what is becoming a core service in their org, and so they want to bring it in house.

You could ask them if they'd employ (as a PAYE employee) you in the facilitator role - but I would bet it would amount to much lower hourly wage than you're getting now.

You could also tell them in a nice way what you've said in your OP - this is your business, this model is your product, and you couldn't just buy the original recipe from Coca Cola otherwise they'd lose their business.

OR you could agree to the work, but just don't give them your best, unique ideas that only you could deliver because they require your people skills and instead just create a really simple training session with standard industry techniques

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