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To want to hide from DS

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sparklestar123 · 07/04/2024 16:59

Hi,
So I feel horrendous even writing this but I’m so worn down and upset with the behaviour of DS and it’s at the point where, despite loving him so much, I just want to stay away from him.

He’s only 4 and we don’t have any other 4 year olds to compare to as to whether this is standard for 4 year olds with their brain development or it’s something else.
He does go to preschool and they always say he’s never any bother and they don’t know they’ve got him.
In the house it feels like a constant battle. He eats really well diet wise and rarely ever has any screen time, we try and get outdoors as much as we can. We’ve always had so much fun and had so much love to show him and still do.

The second you say no, even if you’re saying not right now, he goes 0-100. This can be because you’ve said no to a snack as it’s nearly main meal time, because you can’t immediately get to him right that second or because something has happened like a toy has fallen over.
It can also be if you accidentally say the wrong thing such as saying dinner time instead of tea time. At best we’ll just get bellowed at but it’s regularly hurtful and out of control.

Today for example, DH was upstairs changing DD (told to DS) and didn’t immediately come back so DS started screaming and throwing a range of shoes at the wall and over the stair gate. When I went to see what was happening and tell him it wasn’t okay to do that and daddy would be back soon, he then picked up a toy house for figures and threw it hard at me. He then told DH it had been me who threw all the shoes.

He throws things quite frequently and hits all of us. Just yesterday he hit our 1 year old in the head just for being sat in her high chair whilst he was getting upset. If she walks near him when he’s playing he will shout and try and push her over, sometimes by the face. He can be very unpredictable and things can come out of nowhere so it’s a battle trying to keep him safe and feel secure as well as safeguard DD because he becomes so strong. He’ll also shout at the dogs for no apparent reason or say they did something they didn’t.

It’s so heartbreaking because for so long he’s been the most polite, kind and loving little boy with impeccable manners. He’s always been a couple of years ahead with his speech so it’s not communication in that sense. Afterwards he’ll say sorry but it’s not long before it happens again.

We’ve tried everything such as picking our battles and not saying no to things that don’t really need it, reward chart, discussing the behaviour and feelings once he’s calmed down, immediate consequences like taking something he values away, asking if there’s anything he needs like a cuddle, telling him to sit somewhere for a minute to calm when he feels angry, ‘gentle hands’ which was what a family worker told us once, saying we don’t do that in our family, removing him or the item he’s trying to throw etc etc. If you try the more gentle methods, he will just continue repeatedly.
Taking away something he values just results in an escalation of screaming and angry behaviour (we don’t give in but he doesn’t calm for some time) and on the occasions that you’re so fed up that you end up raising your voice (not ideal I know), he just laughs at you and continues. If you give him a consequence such as x is going to happen now, he’ll just agree with it.

He also makes nearly every mealtime difficult by getting up from his chair countless times to do something like open the fridge and freezer, open cupboard doors or go to the toilet which is usually just him messing around with the tap. If you tell him not to in any which manner of asking, he will just continue.
He’s had a solid bedtime routine since he was tiny and has always gone to bed no issue. Alongside all of this, he’s started getting himself out of bed to then demand someone comes back to tuck him in again and will get repeatedly louder and louder until he’s woken DD up. The repetition continues even with going to him.

I just don’t know what to do anymore - is this normal? It’s so hard and I want to do the best by him.

OP posts:
Happyinarcon · 07/04/2024 17:42

Was he like this before preschool? Kids can bring home a lot of stress and pent up emotion and they aren’t able to explain to parents what’s going on. I had a similar situation with my kid and her school insisted everything was fine and dandy but i found out later it was pretty dire.

Mimimimi1234 · 08/07/2024 07:27

Mine get like this when hungry or overstimulated. Sometimes after nursery or school they do just need to veg out in front of the tv. With mine doing too much and no screen time etc was too much for them. Feed him as soon as he gets in then give him some down time watching some cartoons. I used to take mine to clubs, sports etc but realised it was way too much and he just needed to do nothing after school. Mine also has adhd and sounds similar with the mealtime getting up thing but you cant really tell. Gaming actually helps my adhd son to regulate too, so comphter games like spongbob etc actually really regulate his brain. I was going to be a no screen time, organic only outdoors persuits mum but due to dc I have had to adapt that aplroach considerably.

Dolly567 · 08/07/2024 07:35

I have this sometimes. I've become quite strict on rules what's allowed and what's not so he understands firm boundaries.
I do gentle parent, only screens now for Friday movies and outdoor most of the time but I do give consequences if for example someone is hurt or things are being thrown.
I don't make a big deal but I'll say I'm taking this away now or we won't be playing out or doing this until we have calmed down and show ways in which we can calm down or communicate our needs.
Books are always really helpful too. It's a tricky age .. you have to really come down on this behaviour I think because it can escalate!

toenails · 08/07/2024 07:39

So sorry you're going through this. Did this behaviour start after DD's arrival?

TreesWelliesKnees · 08/07/2024 07:44

He sounds extremely bright and therefore very frustrated.

Meadowfinch · 08/07/2024 07:45

Firstly, it isn't heartbreaking that he's expressing himself. Whatever the cause, he's only little and he clearly needs to get all that energy & frustration out. Stop being 'hurt', he doesn't mean it. You'll need a thicker skin as they get older.

I'd decide on a set of consequences with your dh, and stick to them. Clear, consistent and easy to understand. Don't keep changing them. Then don't blink first, don't budge an inch.

Reinforce the basic rules over and over. If he gets down from table then he doesn't come back and can wait until the next meal.

Good behaviour is rewarded at the weekend with something he really likes. Recognised consequences for bad behaviour. Make sure he gets plenty of physical exercise during the day so he is tired by the time he gets home. And regular 121 time with each of you so he doesn't feel pushed out by the baby.

It may just be a phase or a hormone surge.

Whale80ne · 08/07/2024 08:03

Sometimes we as parents and also caregivers/ educators overestimate verbally precocious children. Most children's understanding of language is ahead of their production of speech but for some children it's the other way around and they can use advanced vocabulary and grammatical structure before they really are able to process receptive language for meaning fully.

Also no child's development is 100% symmetrical and it's completely normal for social and emotional development to be behind (or in other cases ahead of) more "academic" type achievement or outward signs of other types of intelligence (such as language).

Children who "mask" struggling at preschool and school (particularly if they mask by being quiet and rule following) often meltdown at home because of an unconscious expectation/ need for their parents to just understand and help and make everything ok, and because they can't keep up the effort all the time.

It's hard as a parent especially with younger/ other children to think of but it might help to re-evaluate whether you're treating your son as his age or unconsciously expecting a higher level of emotional understanding and self regulation because of the illusion of maturity a precocious vocabulary creates. Often verbally advanced children don't have the depth of understanding of what they say that we fondly believe they do!

Otherwise making your home low stress/ low stimulation visually (less stuff like the shoes around, most things put away out if sight) can help a surprising amount (I know this is a huge ask in a busy home and life!). This can sometimes be why children cope better in some formal childcare and school settings.

Otherwise it's down to being absolutely consistent and having very simple rules and routines and always applying natural consequences - like tidying up the shoes with a little help/ direction - (not random punishment) after a chance to calm down.

You could look at some books on feelings with him once a day at a calm time - don't iver-egg, but a five minute look at one of the many age appropriate picture books which direct talking about "big emotions" and what you can do when you feel them can be very helpful over a few weeks.

If this continues for more than a few months despite the above then you might need to talk to your health visitor or GP as he might have a little bit more going on than is typical and need a bit more support.

NavyBee · 08/07/2024 09:21

Others have made good points that he may be bringing home emotions from preschool. But also he may be struggling a bit with having a sibling who (no doubt) absorbs a lot of parental time, energy, and attention, will be getting mobile and becoming more of a person but also probably interfere with his activities and toys more. Does he have any just with mum time? If not it would be great if you can find a way to have even a couple of hours once a week to do something enjoyable together. He will feel better and so will you.

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