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To think things were better in the 90s?

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destroyess · 06/04/2024 12:08

I'm 24, born in 1999.

Houses cost 15x the average wage. Fentanyl-laced drugs are killing my friends. Any woman who posts a photo of herself is as risk for career-destroying AI p0rn. Men are allowed in women's prisons and changing rooms. Shein and hennies are murdering the ecosystem. Kids are assaulting their teachers. Boys are addicted to porn. Nursery fees are exorbitant. When I tell people I became a homeowner at 22, they assume my penniless parents bought it for me.

Women are making OnlyF@ns for peanuts, (only because men are still making SO much more money than us that they can afford to pay for it!!!), only to be relentlessly mocked and lose their jobs for it.

Any meaningful progress towards 'women's equality' is simply because households now require 2 incomes and women are STILL earning substantially less and dependent on men, so what was the bloody point?

Why couldn't I have been born in the 60s and been an adult in the 80s-90s? I hate it here.

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InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 12:15

No point romanticising the 90s, it had its own set of problems.

If women's rights are a big concern of yours, you would have hated it.

Corinthiana · 06/04/2024 12:17

No period of time was perfect. Each generation faces their own challenges.
Many things have got worse, but many people have progressed and got more rights (I won't bore you with the misogyny in my workplace in the 90s, nor how unacceptable it was to be gay).

Revelatio · 06/04/2024 12:18

90s were awful for rights. Sexual harassment in the workplace was common, racism was tolerated, people still drugged women’s drinks and raped them. Women still worked in the sex trade. A dual income was still required.

It’s pointless romanticising decades you weren’t alive in. Take some action to change the present instead.

heathspeedwell · 06/04/2024 12:20

I agree with you that in many ways things are much harder for young women today. I was able to get to a Russell Group university despite having been a free school dinners kid. There's definitely less social mobility now, and it's much harder to get on the housing ladder.

In some ways women have more rights today, but prosecutions for rape are at an all time low, and women are seen as bigots simply for wanting the safety of single-sex changing rooms.

destroyess · 06/04/2024 12:27

Revelatio · 06/04/2024 12:18

90s were awful for rights. Sexual harassment in the workplace was common, racism was tolerated, people still drugged women’s drinks and raped them. Women still worked in the sex trade. A dual income was still required.

It’s pointless romanticising decades you weren’t alive in. Take some action to change the present instead.

These are all still happening though.

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Corinthiana · 06/04/2024 12:27

Also, don't get into the mindset that there was a certain period of time when "things were better" because it's not true. There was no halcyon time. Just society has changed, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
As pp has said - just focus on what you can improve in the here and now.

Corinthiana · 06/04/2024 12:29

Also, I was born in 1960, and you would not have enjoyed being a teenage girl in the 1970s.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/04/2024 12:34

@Corinthiana I'm a similar age to you and I absolutely agree. The thing that depresses me most about the present day is that it hasn't got as much better as it should have, or in some ways has regressed. Maybe due to too many people in positions of power trying to recreate "the good old days"...

Corinthiana · 06/04/2024 12:41

I agree with you, @Anniegetyourgun . I went on those Reclaim the Nights marches, and campaigned actively in other ways, and genuinely thought that misogyny would not be as it is now. It's been a long hard struggle and it isn't over.

jannier · 06/04/2024 13:41

destroyess · 06/04/2024 12:08

I'm 24, born in 1999.

Houses cost 15x the average wage. Fentanyl-laced drugs are killing my friends. Any woman who posts a photo of herself is as risk for career-destroying AI p0rn. Men are allowed in women's prisons and changing rooms. Shein and hennies are murdering the ecosystem. Kids are assaulting their teachers. Boys are addicted to porn. Nursery fees are exorbitant. When I tell people I became a homeowner at 22, they assume my penniless parents bought it for me.

Women are making OnlyF@ns for peanuts, (only because men are still making SO much more money than us that they can afford to pay for it!!!), only to be relentlessly mocked and lose their jobs for it.

Any meaningful progress towards 'women's equality' is simply because households now require 2 incomes and women are STILL earning substantially less and dependent on men, so what was the bloody point?

Why couldn't I have been born in the 60s and been an adult in the 80s-90s? I hate it here.

Your deluding yourself if you think being an adult in the 80s or 90s was a walk in the park. We still needed 2 mortgages, we paid really high childcare for 5 years s, we only had 6 weeks maternity at 90% then 6 statutory before going back to work so often if we had been signed off early we went back leaving 8 week olds and most returned at 3 months. We wore our clothes for years because you couldn't afford new and no such things as cheap clothes. Nappies were £5 a pack even back then and shoes for baby still £30 but wages were typically £6k ...I had a great job as a graduate and earned £8k in 1990 but our first house was £65k for a 2 bed terrace out wages took 80% people were just handing back their keys.
Every generation has its struggles none is easy we had the Falklands, September 11 and grew up with the IRA bombs in places not just London. There were hijackings and sieges....Spaghetti house Siege in London lasted days. Bombs in pubs and the ideal home exhibition, in litter bins etc. we didn't feel safe it was just for different reasons.
I do think we had a lot more accidental disasters then so health and safety is better...Zeebruger, kings cross, Mooregate, Ladbroke Grove,
As I said every generation has it tough

jannier · 06/04/2024 13:45

destroyess · 06/04/2024 12:27

These are all still happening though.

Nothing like the scale it was how many colleagues have exposed themselves or grouped you at work? The attitude was anything in a skirt....because you couldn't wear trousers ....was fair game. You couldn't be a boss or get promotion and no matter how senior you did manage to get you made the tea and popped to the shop for your male superiors.

KitchenSinkLlama · 06/04/2024 13:46

OP. There was no golden age. It's just different versions of the same shit. It's how we respond the shit that matters.

Luddite26 · 29/06/2024 07:44

Yes only fans is a choice. Young women doing bar work were often made to dress in stockings and suspenders and be on offer for a pittance of a wage to bring the punters in That has changed. Groped when you collected glasses etc. horrible times.
Yes I think times aren't great right now but they really weren't that great for everyone in the 90s - 80s and before even worse.
Don't buy fast fashion that's an easy choice.

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