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To keep thinking about this saying?

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PassingStranger · 03/04/2024 16:23

Somebody mentioned this saying to me at the weekend and I can't stop thinking it?
It's what can't be cured must be endured?
Have you heard it?

It's on my mind alot, possibly because it's true?

OP posts:
Janeaustenrocks · 03/04/2024 16:35

Isn't it the same as "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"?

KreedKafer · 03/04/2024 16:35

Yes, I've heard it. It's not particularly profound or thought-provoking, though, surely? It's pretty obvious that if you literally cannot change something, you have to put up with it, because there's no other option.

So as a saying, it wouldn't apply to (for example) a partner's bad behaviour, because you have the option to leave them if they won't change. But it would apply to something like a partner's death, because you can't bring them back to life and your only option is endure the grief and hope that it eventually becomes bearable. (Sorry for the depressing example!)

Amelie2024 · 03/04/2024 16:37

Janeaustenrocks · 03/04/2024 16:35

Isn't it the same as "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"?

@Janeaustenrocks

to me it's not, no.

think about the words carefully & maybe you'll see the difference

@PassingStranger

yes, I've heard of it & at times had to apply it. But usually the situation arrives before the saying, iyswim.

DyddDewiSant · 03/04/2024 16:39

It means those times when there isn't a choice!!

I have a child with additional needs. People have said to me "I don't know how you do it"
I do it because I don't have a choice.

WallaceinAnderland · 03/04/2024 16:48

Yes I've head it.

The saying is correct.

5128gap · 03/04/2024 16:50

It is true of course, and very much stating the obvious. But I quite like it as a reminder that once you've exhausted all options for the 'cure' you might as well accept it and press on, as keep railing against it and bemoaning things you can't change.

WallaceinAnderland · 03/04/2024 16:50

The saying I like is:

'If all you ever do is sit in a chair, then all you ever do is sit in a chair.'

Anewuser · 03/04/2024 16:59

DyddDewiSant · 03/04/2024 16:39

It means those times when there isn't a choice!!

I have a child with additional needs. People have said to me "I don't know how you do it"
I do it because I don't have a choice.

But that’s just it, it is a choice you (and I) have. You must know parents who decided they couldn’t cope with a child with additional needs, and they ended up in care?

People are trying to be nice when they say that. Just like the bullshit “God only gives special children to special parents”.

5YearsLeft · 03/04/2024 17:12

PassingStranger · 03/04/2024 16:23

Somebody mentioned this saying to me at the weekend and I can't stop thinking it?
It's what can't be cured must be endured?
Have you heard it?

It's on my mind alot, possibly because it's true?

I hope this viewpoint doesn’t hurt anyone, but I don’t agree with this saying at all. I used to think my ex-DH was an absolute arsehole for his way of thinking, but I eventually realized his point, and it did make things easier for me, actually.

His viewpoint was that you DO have a choice. I’m in a lot of pain and I was often despondent about it, and he would view it as if I still wanted to live, then I was choosing the pain. Which made me SO angry. But he was right. And it’s given me a much better feeling of control - I’m less despondent now, feeling that yes, I do want to stay alive, that’s the choice I’m making (there are other options), so I’m choosing the pain, too.

I cannot think of a single situation in life in which you don’t have a choice. But if that choice is something you can’t live with or something you don’t want to do more than your current situation, then in fact you DO choose the current situation. I wanted to live more than I wanted to be pain-free; that is my choice every day so far. I know someday it may not be.

But if you have unbearable physical or emotional pain unbearable, you could kill yourself. If you choose not to, because of your children or spouse or dogs or etc., then staying alive IS your choice. Maybe you’re in an incredibly difficult situation, one where people say “I don’t know how you do it.” I mean, you do have a choice. You could run away tomorrow and ditch your responsibilities. You could put a child with severe SEN or an elderly parent in residential care and never think of them again. But if you’re NOT running away, you’re making a choice every day, about the kind of person you want to be (not someone who deserts your child, or parent, or family).

I think for some people this can be helpful, to feel like they do have more control over the situation than maybe they realize. That there ARE choices. Maybe for some people that makes it much harder - they are only able to endure because they tell themselves there’s absolutely no choice. I understand life is so hard that each of us has our own way of viewing it.

And I completely accept that other people may have opposite viewpoints and I may be wrong. This is just the viewpoint on things like this that helps me keep going.

coldcallerbaiter · 03/04/2024 17:22

A bit like the sayings that if you cannot control something then don’t waste worry on it and also there is one about you can only control your reaction.

DaisyHaites · 03/04/2024 17:25

WallaceinAnderland · 03/04/2024 16:50

The saying I like is:

'If all you ever do is sit in a chair, then all you ever do is sit in a chair.'

I don’t know if this is actually a saying, but it might be the first MN post to make me laugh out loud.

But yes OP, it is a saying, and it is true. If you’ve got a problem fix it. If you can’t, live with it. That’s literally the choice.

Darker · 03/04/2024 18:00

5YearsLeft · 03/04/2024 17:12

I hope this viewpoint doesn’t hurt anyone, but I don’t agree with this saying at all. I used to think my ex-DH was an absolute arsehole for his way of thinking, but I eventually realized his point, and it did make things easier for me, actually.

His viewpoint was that you DO have a choice. I’m in a lot of pain and I was often despondent about it, and he would view it as if I still wanted to live, then I was choosing the pain. Which made me SO angry. But he was right. And it’s given me a much better feeling of control - I’m less despondent now, feeling that yes, I do want to stay alive, that’s the choice I’m making (there are other options), so I’m choosing the pain, too.

I cannot think of a single situation in life in which you don’t have a choice. But if that choice is something you can’t live with or something you don’t want to do more than your current situation, then in fact you DO choose the current situation. I wanted to live more than I wanted to be pain-free; that is my choice every day so far. I know someday it may not be.

But if you have unbearable physical or emotional pain unbearable, you could kill yourself. If you choose not to, because of your children or spouse or dogs or etc., then staying alive IS your choice. Maybe you’re in an incredibly difficult situation, one where people say “I don’t know how you do it.” I mean, you do have a choice. You could run away tomorrow and ditch your responsibilities. You could put a child with severe SEN or an elderly parent in residential care and never think of them again. But if you’re NOT running away, you’re making a choice every day, about the kind of person you want to be (not someone who deserts your child, or parent, or family).

I think for some people this can be helpful, to feel like they do have more control over the situation than maybe they realize. That there ARE choices. Maybe for some people that makes it much harder - they are only able to endure because they tell themselves there’s absolutely no choice. I understand life is so hard that each of us has our own way of viewing it.

And I completely accept that other people may have opposite viewpoints and I may be wrong. This is just the viewpoint on things like this that helps me keep going.

Thank you. This is amazing. I have a friend who struggles terribly with pain and other difficulties of life. They also express suicidal thoughts. So I have to be careful what I say. But I found your words inspirational.

girlfriend44 · 03/04/2024 18:29

It's blunt, but true. Grim at times though.

EveryoneJapan · 03/04/2024 18:33

Sounds like a statement of the bleedin’ obvious really, except it rhymes.

Happyboom · 03/04/2024 18:38

I think it's more positive than it sounds. It means if you can't change it don't waste energy worrying about it.

CurlewKate · 03/04/2024 19:03

@Janeaustenrocks "Isn't it the same as "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"?"

Not to me.

CrunchyCarrot · 03/04/2024 19:08

My autoimmune hypothyroidism can't be cured. There are treatments but they don't work well for everyone. Unfortunately I'm one of those people. I do keep trying new things to try to help myself but basically I just have to endure it.

shoppingshamed · 03/04/2024 19:21

I've heard of it but it's not much of a saying as it's obvious that if you can't change something you have to put up with it

CurlewKate · 03/04/2024 19:25

I think it makes a nice change from the "positive thinking will cure anything" mindset.

StormingNorman · 03/04/2024 19:28

It’s terribly pessimistic.

katebushh · 03/04/2024 19:53

I've not heard it before but I prefer it to the common assumption that I am hard and tough because I live with multiple health issues whilst being an older mum.

I'm neither hard nor tough. I cope because I have to.

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