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A “No Answer” from employer is a “No” Answer?

26 replies

My0 · 03/04/2024 12:45

Last year, I asked my line manager if my contract could be changed from hourly paid to salaried as I've almost been at the company long enough to be eligible and my performance has been great (so she tells me). She promised she'd raise this with her manager (who interviewed and hired me) and get back to me.

6 weeks ago, I asked again, she thanked me for reminding her, and said due to some unforeseen instability in the sector, she'd need to have more chats and get back to me 'soon'. I've heard nothing since..

I feel it'd be inappropriate to bring this up again. We work from home and rarely have any meetings. So it'd be awkward to send yet another reminder. But, I also desperately want to know so I can plan accordingly.

AIBU to think it's a "no" but she won't be upfront about it?

Or is 6 weeks a short period to consider such request?

OP posts:
Fidgety31 · 03/04/2024 12:46

Email her and and copy in your HR dept. You’ll get a response then

Catapultaway · 03/04/2024 12:47

What do you need to plan for? Assume its not a massive change in what you will be paid each month?

I'd just email again. It's probably just low on her list of priorities, but high on yours.

GRex · 03/04/2024 13:02

I've almost been at the company long enough to be eligible
How long until you're eligible, and what actually changes with the contractual change to salaried? Is it about job security, or additional money?

EIIaM · 03/04/2024 13:13

What's the difference? More pay? Different hours?

JJathome · 03/04/2024 13:17

Is this about more than hourly rate to salary? Does it change more terms and conditions? Ie more secure employment or guaranteed work? I’m assuming there is something missing here?

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 03/04/2024 13:18

Fidgety31 · 03/04/2024 12:46

Email her and and copy in your HR dept. You’ll get a response then

Don’t do this. HR has nothing to help you with here - unless something says that you will definitely move on to a salaried contract at some point, this point has already been reached and your management hasn’t actioned it. If HR can’t help you, no reason to cause a bad vibe with your manager by being gung ho.

if the above is however true, that’s a different story. In this case I’d approach HR directly to enquire if ‘they’ have looked at this (pretend you thought you were meant to go to HR directly if your manager asks, that you were trying to not disturb them with something someone else in fact had to action)

theeyeofdoe · 03/04/2024 13:19

I wouldn't check back until you've actually been there long enough.

JJathome · 03/04/2024 13:30

Don’t go to hr. It’s clear this is an option not a right. As such hr can’t help and you will just piss everyone off. It’s your manager and the business to decide.

My0 · 04/04/2024 14:55

Catapultaway · 03/04/2024 12:47

What do you need to plan for? Assume its not a massive change in what you will be paid each month?

I'd just email again. It's probably just low on her list of priorities, but high on yours.

Current pay is better. But I need the job security.

I agree with my request being low on her list of priorities.

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My0 · 04/04/2024 14:57

GRex · 03/04/2024 13:02

I've almost been at the company long enough to be eligible
How long until you're eligible, and what actually changes with the contractual change to salaried? Is it about job security, or additional money?

Just a couple more months to go.

It's mostly about the job security and employee benefits too.

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CruCru · 04/04/2024 14:59

Yes, I can see why you’d want this if it means you get benefits like sick pay and a pension.

How long have you been with the company for? If they don’t make you salaried, would you want to stay with the company?

Mazuslongtoenail · 04/04/2024 15:00

If she can’t give you a simple, honest answer she shouldn’t be a manager.

CruCru · 04/04/2024 15:05

Mazuslongtoenail · 04/04/2024 15:00

If she can’t give you a simple, honest answer she shouldn’t be a manager.

In fairness, there’s a good chance that she has raised this and her boss / manager won’t give her a straight answer.

Being a manager is quite often a horrible job, sandwiched between the people who report to you and your superiors.

WorkCleanRepeat · 04/04/2024 15:06

Sounds like she needs sign off from her boss who is kicking the can down the road due to budget or other priorities

My0 · 04/04/2024 15:19

JJathome · 03/04/2024 13:30

Don’t go to hr. It’s clear this is an option not a right. As such hr can’t help and you will just piss everyone off. It’s your manager and the business to decide.

I don't plan to. I think this would really piss her off.

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My0 · 04/04/2024 15:25

CruCru · 04/04/2024 14:59

Yes, I can see why you’d want this if it means you get benefits like sick pay and a pension.

How long have you been with the company for? If they don’t make you salaried, would you want to stay with the company?

I do get a pension and holiday pay. But unfortunately, hours are not guaranteed unless I am salaried.
Just a few months short of 2 years.
I would but I'll reduce hours and undertake further training/studies to be eligible for a salaried position closer to home.

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My0 · 04/04/2024 15:32

CruCru · 04/04/2024 15:05

In fairness, there’s a good chance that she has raised this and her boss / manager won’t give her a straight answer.

Being a manager is quite often a horrible job, sandwiched between the people who report to you and your superiors.

There's a good chance this is the case.
My request seems to be a low priority with everything going on in the business and overall sector. But, regardless, I'd like an answer even if it's we'll discuss this in X week/months.

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Mazuslongtoenail · 04/04/2024 15:58

CruCru · 04/04/2024 15:05

In fairness, there’s a good chance that she has raised this and her boss / manager won’t give her a straight answer.

Being a manager is quite often a horrible job, sandwiched between the people who report to you and your superiors.

Oh totally. I didn’t mean she should be able to answer the question, I meant in response to

“AIBU to think it's a "no" but she won't be upfront about it?”

Which suggests it’s a no but she doesn’t want to say so.

LlynTegid · 04/04/2024 16:06

If the answer is no, then it should be given.

OP think about looking for another job or one in the company with a manager who is not a coward about not giving the answer you seek.

ThirdStorm · 04/04/2024 17:18

So you are currently on a temporary contract and wish to go permanent? I'd imagine your manager will need approval and doesn't have it yet but thinks they can get it. Wait a bit longer to see what they can manage. When does your current employment end?

Crazycrazylady · 04/04/2024 17:33

Honestly js it automatic at thr 2 year stage. If it is id wonder why you're so desperate to go salaried before then. Id possible think you're planning to go out sick or something of that nature .

CruCru · 04/04/2024 20:27

The OP might want to get a mortgage. It’s a bit easier if you have a stable, guaranteed income.

My0 · 05/04/2024 13:34

ThirdStorm · 04/04/2024 17:18

So you are currently on a temporary contract and wish to go permanent? I'd imagine your manager will need approval and doesn't have it yet but thinks they can get it. Wait a bit longer to see what they can manage. When does your current employment end?

It's not temporary as such. I work based on the hours I am offered. Thankfully, demand has been consistent, however things could change and I'll be left without and with no backup plan.
Given that I work 4 days a week, it's difficult to have a plan B or a reliable second stream of income that I could fall back on.
I also really enjoy the job and it's what I see myself doing long-term. It would also be very difficult to get the same position elsewhere.

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My0 · 05/04/2024 13:35

CruCru · 04/04/2024 20:27

The OP might want to get a mortgage. It’s a bit easier if you have a stable, guaranteed income.

Thank you. This also.

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My0 · 05/04/2024 13:47

Crazycrazylady · 04/04/2024 17:33

Honestly js it automatic at thr 2 year stage. If it is id wonder why you're so desperate to go salaried before then. Id possible think you're planning to go out sick or something of that nature .

Definitely not planning to go out sick.
Being salaried would make life a lot easier. I've recently become a single mum so I'm desperate for the financial stability and guaranteed income for myself and DC.

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