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AIBU?

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Who is BU? DC and toxic friend.

16 replies

HuffleScruffs · 29/03/2024 14:56

DS is 12 and in Year 7. He has some learning difficulties and is therefore placed in a smaller class with other DC who have difficulties. He also finds it very difficult to make friends and the move to secondary school has been very hard for him.

DS broke up for half term last week and on the final day, he came home overjoyed to have made a friend; they’d swapped numbers and called that evening to play Minecraft. I was made up for him.

Unfortunately, it’s now obvious this friendship is not something I want to encourage. The other boy constantly swears, which I can let go, it’s only words and he’s obviously show boating. However, some of the talk I found wholly unacceptable and inappropriate. I asked him to stop (which was mortifying for my DS) but I have other DC in the house and there was no way I wanted them exposed to it. The other boy toned it down but made it clear he thinks I’m silly (to put it politely).

After it continued, I made my own DS come off the game for the evening.

DH now wants to “ban” DC from hanging around with this boy. As they are in the same class and hang around together at school, this is going to prove impossible. DS is obviously furious at DH’s suggestion and points out that we can’t choose his friends. He’s also upset because it has taken him so long to make this friend.

My thoughts are that DS is going to get exposed to this kind of thing throughout school and we cannot protect him from everything. Whilst we can limit his interactions outside of school with the other DC (they don’t live close to each other), I feel we should guide DS as much as we can and intervene where necessary in their interactions when overheard in our home.

I can already see a negative change in my own DS and his overall attitude , but I feel this is to be expected as a whole as he finds his way in the tween stage and the pecking order.

Who is BU?

YABU: Extinguish the friendship hardcore

YANBU: DS has to learn the skills to approach and deal with different people in life.

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HuffleScruffs · 29/03/2024 15:48

Shameless bump 😳

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Cottoncandyflavaflav · 29/03/2024 15:56

It's almost April. If he is only now making a friend I would not be doing anything to jeopardize the friendship. It will give him confidence and improve his school experience. Crude talking doesn't mean the boy is bag news. I would just make it clear to my DS that I didn't want him talking like that and then I would leave him be.

HuffleScruffs · 29/03/2024 16:38

@Cottoncandyflavaflav These are might thoughts too . I only intervened because the talk went beyond just crude .

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Nandocushion · 29/03/2024 16:56

YANBU. Like you say, it is obviously a bit of showing off, which is totally normal for boys this age. It will probably calm down as they get to know each other better. Your DS's confidence is more important than a bit of unpleasant chat.

maddening · 29/03/2024 17:03

Yanbu at all

TimeGrabsYouByTheWrist · 29/03/2024 17:06

YABU.

The change in attitude you're seeing is no doubt because you embarrassed him when he was chatting to a mate.

12 year olds are learning naughty words.y 13 year old think they're hilarious. I just ask him nicely to keep the language clean or they'll have to stop playing the game!

Ilovelurchers · 29/03/2024 17:08

It's hard to know without knowing what was being said.

I would only attempt to break up the friendship if they boy was advocating racism or sexism or something of that nature, or violence against women perhaps..... If it was strong swearing and some sexual references I would be fine with it, as long as it didn't degrade women.

Without using the actual words they used, can you say more about what shocked and upset you so much?

Marine30 · 29/03/2024 17:08

We’ve all had a DS or DD with a friend who wasn’t our favourite. I see your point about the bad language but just try to ensure your son knows this in not appropriate for him to repeat - or make it a condition of them staying mates.
But, don’t deny him his first proper friendship. If you forbid it or make it tough for them to hang out it might make him all the more appealing to DS and make you seem like the enemy.

WhoaJayShettybambalam · 29/03/2024 17:11

Ilovelurchers · 29/03/2024 17:08

It's hard to know without knowing what was being said.

I would only attempt to break up the friendship if they boy was advocating racism or sexism or something of that nature, or violence against women perhaps..... If it was strong swearing and some sexual references I would be fine with it, as long as it didn't degrade women.

Without using the actual words they used, can you say more about what shocked and upset you so much?

Completely agree with this

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 29/03/2024 17:13

I agree it's hard to know when you won't share what was said.

Bad language I would gloss over. Racist or sexist or just unpleasantness towards an individual I would not be happy with and would have words with DS.

But you recognise yourself this is just showboating - he's only 11 or 12, trust me bad language gets a lot less exciting for them the older they get!

HuffleScruffs · 29/03/2024 17:14

@TimeGrabsYouByTheWrist the change in DS has been over many weeks , not just after I called his friend out (which was fully justified). I had young DC in the room.

@Ilovelurchers I don’t want to use the words or the thread will require a trigger warning. It was not in any way appropriate and you’re on the right track with your suggestions.

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Octavia64 · 29/03/2024 17:16

You can't extinguish the friendship. I don't mean that you shouldn't I mean it's not actually possible.

Not if they meet at school. Presumably your DS will also be able to contact him via messenger/whatsapp etc.

In addition, your DS has already indicated that he values the friendship and would not be happy being banned.

So you could stop them seeing each other outside of school but that's about the limit.

It would be better if he had nicer friends so personally I'd be working on that and trying some extra curricular.

HuffleScruffs · 29/03/2024 17:17

@Marine30 Yes exactly my thoughts. I don’t mind the bad language per se, it doesn’t bother me as I do think it’s normal at this age. DH is very swearing averse and he can’t understand my and DS views. It was the other talk which DH was bothered by.

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BobbyBiscuits · 29/03/2024 17:22

Kids do swear and say some pretty grim stuff amongst themselves. It doesn't mean they are an all round bad person.
Unless it's really terrible, racist, sexual violence type stuff, instructing people to actually hurt others?
Make it clear that the kid isn't to talk that way in your home, and if it gets overheard during gaming then your kid might get punished as in he has to stop playing for a certain time. At least that'll mean your son will want it to be toned down for his own benefit?

BreadandButterDinners · 29/03/2024 17:28

Op is it sexualised things he is saying? That definitely changes things if so.

Ilovelurchers · 29/03/2024 17:34

I've seen your update OP - I fully agree with you that swearing isn't a big deal in and of itself, but that if the boy is saying stuff that I assume (reading between the lines) is degrading sexual stuff about women, then that is bang out of order....

My daughter is about this age, and it is shocking to overhear her and her best friend sometimes and the way they talk about boys for example (they look like such innocents, they are both doing ever so well and very well behaved at school, but they are both clearly at an age where thoughts of relationships and sex are very much on their minds!) I never intervene as I think its healthy exploration, but if they were promoting or glorifying sexual violence, for example, I would jump right on it.....

I think probably, rather than banning the friendship outright (as you can't enforce this at school anyway) your best bet might be to talk to your son openly and honestly about why you are concerned.... This might be best coming from his dad, but only if he can try not to get hung up on the swearing..... (Many children of this age do swear pretty much every other word when they don't think adults are listening, and they can still grow up to be nice, normal kids!)

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