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To feel uncomfortable being on camera during Teams/Zoom calls?

99 replies

JustNodAndSmilee · 28/03/2024 22:53

I've worked in remote/hybrid jobs for around 2 years, and I hated being in meetings as I become overly self-conscious that I'm on camera, I feel unable to relax and sit bolt upright with a soft smile on my face and just nodding and smiling. It's really uncomfortable and exhausting. I never look at myself during meetings (as I find it really off-putting), yet I just can't relax. I even feel uncomfortable writing notes or looking at my second screen, it's like I freeze in place and just nod and smile. I feel really robotic and struggle to communicate properly.

When cameras are off it's a lot easier, but 99% of meetings at my company have cameras on unless they are just a quick call.

Does anyone else do this? How do I relax? Like I said I've been doing this for nearly 2 years at two different companies so it's not because I'm new or getting used to online meetings...

OP posts:
LadyChilli · 29/03/2024 07:10

pinkmushroom5 · 29/03/2024 07:04

I find it draining to be on camera too, OP. I completely relate. It doesn't mean I would have the camera off or think we should - but I do understand what you're saying.

I think on video calls there is so much more focus on people's faces - you just see faces in little boxes - it's a bit of a spotlight. People can also look at you and you don't know they are looking at you - you can't really see what they are doing or what's on their screen. IRL you are seeing people's whole selves within the room, and you know if someone is looking at you, because they are present with you in the room.

There is definitely a difference and I think people who are saying 'do you feel like this in real life?' are being a bit obtuse. It's psychologically and practically very different being on camera.

I find it helps to just check myself before going on a call, make sure my hair/ make up are OK, preview the video so there's no weird lighting, etc.

I do find the benefits of working from home massively outweigh my issues with it, so I just get on with it.

I couldn't agree more with all this and will only add that because I use multiple screens I hate camera being on as it means people are looking at the underside of my chin/up my nose.

Lovelyview · 29/03/2024 07:11

Don't worry, everyone else is looking at themselves and wondering how to angle the camera to minimise their double chin or whatever. They're not paying attention to you.

AlisonDonut · 29/03/2024 07:11

I used to tell people my camera was broken then once I was sharing a screen and my internet went off so after that I maintained that the camera was broken, but if I tried to turn it on then it kicked my internet out as well so best not to keep trying.

Gwenhwyfar · 29/03/2024 07:14

RubyTuesday10 · 28/03/2024 23:06

I hate seeing myself on zoom calls, I always look so rough and old, it’s depressing and distracting.

Zoom has a touch up option so I prefer Zoom to Teams for this.

If I'm in a big meeting and not taking part actively, then I hide my face, but in a small meeting like a team meeting it's rude to hide yourself, just like you wouldn't turn your back on someone in real life.

Doingmybest12 · 29/03/2024 07:25

I arrange my own meetings, I am just pleased when the tech works, everyone has the link and logs in on time and grateful when the key players turn up and contribute or take responsibility for their area. Would it help to see the call as just a functional thing and not that you ,as a person is important.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 29/03/2024 07:33

I know what you mean @JustNodAndSmilee . I think it’s the weirdness of being alone but also “presenting” and of being able to see yourself (which being a mirror image and at least 5 years older than what I see in the mirror is very odd). I really struggled during the early pandemic then decided fuck in and embraced camera on and total engagement, leaning slightly frorward, look into the camera to make “eye contact” then away to pics of others etc as if I was there in person ne frankly I found getting glasses helpful as it broke up the image of my face a bit. I also started doing the hand gestures I would have done in person, just below the camera, which is raised to eye level. Still not my favourite activity but no longer something I really worry about.

nappyvalley2024 · 29/03/2024 08:09

JustNodAndSmilee · 28/03/2024 22:53

I've worked in remote/hybrid jobs for around 2 years, and I hated being in meetings as I become overly self-conscious that I'm on camera, I feel unable to relax and sit bolt upright with a soft smile on my face and just nodding and smiling. It's really uncomfortable and exhausting. I never look at myself during meetings (as I find it really off-putting), yet I just can't relax. I even feel uncomfortable writing notes or looking at my second screen, it's like I freeze in place and just nod and smile. I feel really robotic and struggle to communicate properly.

When cameras are off it's a lot easier, but 99% of meetings at my company have cameras on unless they are just a quick call.

Does anyone else do this? How do I relax? Like I said I've been doing this for nearly 2 years at two different companies so it's not because I'm new or getting used to online meetings...

I hate this too, I usually keep the camera for the first minute to say hello then turn it off

Meadowfinch · 29/03/2024 08:41

@LadyChilli

You could always change your camera height.

For video-calls my laptop sits on top of my (unused since school) Langenscheidt dictionary. Raises the camera by 5", makes all the difference

I knew it would come in useful eventually 🙂

Changingplace · 29/03/2024 08:43

HellersK · 28/03/2024 23:07

Hide yourself or put a post-it over your face on screen. I find it helps me stop counting my chins concentrate. Sometimes I minimise it entirely and treat it like a phone call. It's all practise too.

You don’t need to do this, there’s a feature to hide your own view but everyone else can still see you :)

PostItInABook · 29/03/2024 08:51

I don’t put my camera on and don’t care whether NT people think it’s rude or not. I refuse to be forced to mask my natural autistic behaviours in my own home. And it is absolutely not the same as being in a physical meeting. Not at all.

LadyChilli · 29/03/2024 08:54

Meadowfinch · 29/03/2024 08:41

@LadyChilli

You could always change your camera height.

For video-calls my laptop sits on top of my (unused since school) Langenscheidt dictionary. Raises the camera by 5", makes all the difference

I knew it would come in useful eventually 🙂

Edited

Yep, I need to get an external camera as that would really help. I do raise the laptop when I'm not using the other screens or keyboard (I have tiny hands so love the laptop keyboard and touch pad) and it feels much more natural.

ArchesOfLavender · 29/03/2024 08:57

I do 3-4 long meetings a week, often with strangers. Just stop trying. Dress as you would and sit how you would to relax. I’m mainly staring at a second screen and rarely look. It’s not recorded so there’s no lasting image!

theDudesmummy · 29/03/2024 08:58

I really like Zoom as I can see I look better on it than I do in real life (yes I do use the touch up feature, also play with lighting, colours, angles etc, which of course you can't do in a meeting room). I am not particularly self-concious irl but I enjoy seeing a flattering version of myself on the screen! I don't like Teams as much, no touch up, but you can still control the angle of the camera, lighting and so on.

Aozora13 · 29/03/2024 08:58

You’re not alone in this, several of my colleagues feel the same. I find it much harder in meetings when people don’t have their cameras on - I struggle with turn taking and while it’s just about manageable 1-2-1, with several blank screens it’s much harder (I have a pathological dislike of phone calls for the same reason). It’s also really tough chairing a meeting when faced with a wall of black squares as you have no idea if people are engaging, how they’re reacting etc. I can find eye contact difficult and am a notorious fidget so even find video chat easier than face to face from that perspective as I feel there’s less pressure. Now you can hide your own face I much prefer people to have their camera on for me to communicate effectively. But appreciate that different people communicate differently. It only bugs me when it’s a vanity thing, I don’t care if you’ve got a pimple or are looking a bit tired.

theDudesmummy · 29/03/2024 09:00

PS I do some teaching/lecturing, and I really don't like it when people's cameras are off, you have no idea what reaction you are getting.

SevenSeasOfRhye · 29/03/2024 09:01

Meadowfinch · 29/03/2024 08:41

@LadyChilli

You could always change your camera height.

For video-calls my laptop sits on top of my (unused since school) Langenscheidt dictionary. Raises the camera by 5", makes all the difference

I knew it would come in useful eventually 🙂

Edited

Yes - if you can get a camera above your head looking down it looks miles better.

theDudesmummy · 29/03/2024 09:02

I have quite prominent circles under my eyes if I am tired or hungover and I can totally eliminate them with the right angle of lighting plus more under eye makeup than one could get away with face to face.

JFDIYOLO · 29/03/2024 09:02

I've read really helpful advice on looking your best on teams. If you're in control of your appearance it can help you feel much more confident about it. If it's a requirement to have camera on, then you can't change that. If it's optional, switch it off.

Does it have a 'touch up my appearance' thing like Zoom does? That WORKS.

Try and arrange it so you're facing a widow or a light is pointing at your face, not to the side or overhead.

Set your laptop up so your camera's at eye level, not on your desk. You don't want to look down at it.

Sit a bit further away from the laptop so you appear smaller and more distant, not filling the screen.

Use a really interesting background that distracts from you.

Small things that some here will mock, but try them out - they do work, making you look nice and feel pleased.

Pennyplant19 · 29/03/2024 09:02

Snoopsnoggysnog · 29/03/2024 00:24

Use the touch up / enhance feature, I look better than I do in real life with it!

This! I'm much happier since I found 'soft focus' 😂

theDudesmummy · 29/03/2024 09:14

I am often surprised by how people who I know to look perfectly nice and to pay a normal amount of attention to their appearance in the "real" world, turn up looking really awful on camera, seeming to have given no thought to it. Too close to the camera, harsh light and shiny nose, bad angle emphasising double chin, screens reflecting unflattering colours onto their face etc. All so easy to avoid.

I would never join a Zoom meeting etc without first going to settings and checking how I look on the screen, adjusting the touch-up function, makeup, lighting and camera angle etc if needed. It makes a huge difference. I am not vain but I don't want to be distracted by watching the ugliest possible version of myself while trying to work! I guess if you are either one of those people who looks beautiful whatever, or you genuinely don't care how you look, then crack on. I'm not either of those things!

PS have saved a lot of money on lipstick because of the Zoom function!

ByTheSea · 29/03/2024 09:17

I feel the same but I'm glad so many at my company are happy not to have cameras on so I usually don't as well. We do a lot of screen sharing too so there's something else to look at.

Allfur · 29/03/2024 09:19

RemarkablyBrightCreature · 28/03/2024 23:00

Use hide view. People who wfh can’t have it all ways - if u don’t want to work in an office it’s part and parcel of being at home 🤷‍♀️

I get interviewed on zoom, should i insist they see me in real life?

ASighMadeOfStone · 29/03/2024 09:28

It was different 4 years ago when we were all plunged into Zoom/Meet/Teams.

Now I look better on all 3 than I do in real life.

I'm interviewing at the moment (Teams) and I checked with my manager and HR about people not turning their camera on, as this sort of thing was very prolific when it was all new, having a broken camera etc. We reschedule the interview. It's teaching jobs, f2f teenagers, and if a candidate can't cope with looking at one person in an interview, they aren't going to cope in a classroom.

I don't like it either, but, as above. We get the luxury of having our slippers on under the desk.

ASighMadeOfStone · 29/03/2024 09:29

Gwenhwyfar · 29/03/2024 07:14

Zoom has a touch up option so I prefer Zoom to Teams for this.

If I'm in a big meeting and not taking part actively, then I hide my face, but in a small meeting like a team meeting it's rude to hide yourself, just like you wouldn't turn your back on someone in real life.

The new Teams is better than touched up Zoom I find. I still look like I've been sleeping in Central Park for 5 years on Meet though sadly.

theDudesmummy · 29/03/2024 09:35

Re new Teams, do you have to set the touch-up like in Zoom, or is it automatic? I have recently changed to new Teams for the NHS part of my work, but haven't used it much yet. Prefer Zoom if I have a choice.