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To feel like three days is the worst of all worlds?

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Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 08:04

I know a lot of people would love this but hear me out.

I am currently on maternity leave and not due back till June but feeling a bit despondent about my three days.

My salary is obviously part time. As the part time worker at home I feel like the children, housework, cooking and so on fall largely on me. DH is good. He does do his share but in all truth and honesty isn’t around much. In fairness this is also true even if I was to work full time so I guess that’s personal to me / us.

But at work three days is sort of the tipping point to being treated as full time in terms of level of responsibility and expectations. Yet I can’t really progress in my career either (in fairness don’t really want to!)

I know lots of people love it but I just - don’t really. Wondered if anyone else is similar.

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TobarnanGealt · 27/03/2024 09:57

Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 08:12

It probably is @fieldsofbutterflies . I guess I feel like there’s only disadvantages to me working part time - less money and career prospects if I wanted that but same level of responsibility and stress!

That's certainly entirely true in my field. Better to be FT. Do you have that option?

Hoolahoophop · 27/03/2024 10:03

Kind of agree. I work 28-30 hours a week. 5 days school hours. Because I am in every day people at work see me as full time. I'm always there until 3pm. So I get a full time work load.

Because I work school hours I am responsible for all child related stuff, organization, planning, homework, sickness, because I work 'around' the kids. I also do all the cooking, shopping etc, and 'housework' is considered to be more my job because I don't work full time. But I work all the time I am not actively looking after the kids. So there is no time for that.

Its a nightmare. My work is seen as less important. I usually do all the nagging stuff with the kids (seen as my child time) then when homework, showers etc. is done I go into the kitchen to cook just as DH comes home and settles down to play with/chat to/watch TV with the kids.

Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 10:15

TobarnanGealt · 27/03/2024 09:57

That's certainly entirely true in my field. Better to be FT. Do you have that option?

I do but while in many ways it’s a better option for me it isn’t for the children. Plus long term it will mean I’ve more time for me u hope but not while they’re still so little!

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cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 27/03/2024 10:55

I lasted under a year doing pt after everyone telling me it'd be so much better than ft.

It was awful you get the worst of both worlds but with less pay.

Just work full time and outsource more.

Keep equality in your relationship and keep up your pension payments.

TheSnowyOwl · 27/03/2024 11:03

Is this likely to be a long term stress or is it worth getting through for the next couple of years for once the benefits outweighs the negatives? Otherwise could you drop a further day for the short term so you don’t get all the negatives?

One of my children has two teachers who each work three days but they both have half a day for planning, so it means an equal split.

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 27/03/2024 11:03

Honestly, I think you need to negotiate with the 2/5 colleague and your HoD:

They should be doing 2/3 of the reports and 2/3 parents evenings, and exam marking, and so on.

Writing 2/3 of each report probably isn't practical! But working out the number of individual reports to be written in an academic year and splitting by classes/sets of reports etc should work.

Or maybe you do all the reports, but they do all the parents evenings, and they mark your homework for a fortnight each time there's a set of reports to write.

I realise I'll have the split wrong because it'll depend so much on subject/school etc. But this just isn't fair.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 27/03/2024 11:10

I love it. When I'm at work, I can't wait for my days with my kid. When I'm with my kid, I can't wait to be back at work. Whichever one is driving me round the bend at that particular point in the week, a change is just around the corner.

Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 11:33

@HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear (cool name 😂) there isn’t a specific colleague. For my subject kids normally have 4 lessons a week so I have then three days and someone else for one and I understand they are ‘my’ class. It’s just a bit rubbish. Like marking mock exams for instance I have a y11 class, I have to do it but less pay.

I do think it’s worth staying as part time as it does benefit my children and they’re the important ones but it is a bit rubbish for me.

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RoachFish · 27/03/2024 11:40

Why don't you and your DH do 4 days/week each? That way you won't take the whole hit when it comes to pension, career progression, domestic work etc. You'd be equals which is what it sounds like you want.

Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 12:11

It would be nice but isn’t an option.

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MakeupTable · 27/03/2024 13:05

Split reports 40/60 or whatever. If it was 4 lessons to 1 however, I would just write them.

In terms of exam marking, I want to mark my own class but if papers are split. State you want your share to be pro rata.

I am part time and have to remind them every single time that I am part time and as such directed time, duties etc must be pro rata. It’s annoying and tedious for me to have to do it but I genuinely think that they are so busy, they just don’t think. No one will think any less of you.

JoB1977 · 30/03/2024 22:41

Teaching is the most inflexible job ever (and yes, I know, the holidays…..). Part time teachers are not treated well, often get a poor timetable, no classroom and are expected to somehow ‘know’ things that are said when they are not there. Other teachers don’t always bother to remember which days they work which can lead to pupils (especially in secondary) almost thinking of them as not as important. They are still expected to do all the work, get paid less and somehow be grateful for having their weekends relatively unruined and can never complain about being tired or stressed because they don’t work full time.
I went back full time after mine for this reason. Many friends left.

Upinthenightagain · 30/03/2024 22:45

How did I know this would be teaching? I used to teach 3 days and now work full time in a different career. It’s actually less hours than I was putting in teaching 3 days.

Aramiss · 30/03/2024 22:50

Letstrytogetwarm · 27/03/2024 08:54

It’s a relief it isn’t just me. I thought part time would be the best of both worlds and it really isn’t!

Yep. It's why I went down to two days. My job share teacher has more responsibility now.
I actually do three days but the other day I do supply/tutoring.
So I have very low responsibilities in both jobs but get paid for three days.
Works wonders.

Bourneo · 30/03/2024 23:13

I've just gone back full time after working part time for 8 years. I teach, so I've done a mixture of supply and job sharing. The supply was ideal while my DC were young, as no responsibility, able to just take work when needed, how ever many days you fancy/need that week, etc. (My childcare was flexible). Job sharing is HARD. Trying to squeeze all the work into 2-3 days is so much pressure, so I feel your pain.

Could you do the 2 days and 1 day supply? So still 3 days income and less responsibility?

Gingercatsarecrazy · 31/03/2024 07:36

I did wonder if you're a teacher. I'm a primary school teacher and for me 3 days as a class teacher was the hardest ( my job share wasn't great either though). Really 3 days doesn't really make you the main teacher but also does because it's one more day with the children. I now do 4 days and yes I have main responsibility but I would rather know that than the wooliness of 3 days. The best work load wise was a PPA cover role doing 4 days as I didn't have all the class teacher stuff and 4 days pretty much meant 4 days. I can see you're secondary though so things may work differently. Good luck with deciding. You can always change if you don't like it. They wanted me to up my days and I think they still wisg I was full time.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 31/03/2024 08:36

I always thought 3 days would be the ideal! But maybe not in teaching.

4 days and I bet you do get treated as full time in most jobs, with 3 I reckon you’d be ok in an office based role. 4 days your income wouldn’t be far off full time so maybe that’s better for you?

GRex · 31/03/2024 08:51

If you don't like the plan, then do something else. What about doing 4 days with a cleaner doing 5-8 hours to clean, do laundry etc? Your salary covers the cost, the admin is easier to manage, and you still get a day off.

Letstrytogetwarm · 31/03/2024 08:53

I think the reason it’s such a difficult one is three days is ideal for everyone but me 😂

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Salmakia · 31/03/2024 08:53

"the children, housework, cooking and so on fall largely on me. DH is good. He does do his share but in all truth and honesty isn’t around much. In fairness this is also true even if I was to work full time so I guess that’s personal to me / us."

"there’s only disadvantages to me working part time - less money and career prospects"

"I have children on the two days I’m not in work and I do struggle to get anything done. I end up having to try to do it when they’re in bed"

"benefit my children and they’re the important ones but it is a bit rubbish for me."

When a PP suggested you and your husband each do 4 days you said "It would be nice but isn’t an option." Why is that?

If it's best for the children to have a parent with them 2 days of the working week why can't those two days be shared between their parents?

What I'm trying to say by highlighting the key parts of your situation is you take on the majority of your family's labour - cooking, cleaning, child rearing and I'm sure the "life admin" too. You acknowledge even if you worked full time you still likely would and while you say this is personal this exact scenario plays out in millions of heterosexual relationships hence "the personal is political". And the inequality within your "partnership" is being modelled to your children too. They're learning mothers do all the work even when they work ourside of the home too, fathers "help".

You say he does his share but what actually is his share particularly if he's not around much? I'm not trying to be negative here or attack your husband or relationship because this isn't just you it's the default for women and it's harmful. You've acknowledged yourself this "choice" has given you less money and less career prospects. So if you did increase your hours is it possible for him to decrease his and take on more responsibility at home? How long will you halt your carerer for? Until the children are in full time education so possibly "only" a 5 year gap and knock to earnings and progress? Or till they're in secondary school or finished education? So a decade or two? The thing is for women is not just the 2 days pay lost although in the immediate term that is what is balanced alongside childcare costs when making the choice. It's the years of career stagnation you're taking on and the financial hit on your lifetime earning potential which is the big thing.

Right now you're paid working 3 days, doing full time child rearing 2 days. Evenings of all 5 days either doing work for your paid role which is in effect unpaid as you're having to do it now outside of normal working hours and/or housework. You're working 5 days and 5 evenings a week? For the salary and career prospects of 3 days work. Your husband is working 5 days for the salary and career prospects of 5 days. How many of his evenings are spent on housework when the children are in bed? Does he batch cook while you're doing your teaching admin? Does he sort the upstairs which is weighing on you? Is is 5 days of salaried work and career opportunities only 5 days of work and zero evenings?

Maybe examine your life and who it is benefiting most from your choices as that person should really be you or at least you jointly with your children. If it isn't, why is that? You matter. Your career matters. Your health. Your leisure time. That all matters too. Children don't stay children forever and the consequences of being the default parent, the default house manager well they go well into the years after your children have left home. They go into your pension and savings and financial independence should the worst happen.

I guess what I'm saying is you're not being unreasonable to feel you have a poor deal and the worst of both worlds working part time but also how can you change this?

MultiplaLight · 31/03/2024 08:59

Fellow teacher here but full time.

1 lesson colleague should be doing 25% of the extra (exam marking, reports, data entry, assessment) across the year. Make sure this happens. Agree at the start of the year who is doing what.

How old are the children?

Sympathies OP. This is one of the reasons I stayed FT tbh. Will you stay 3 days when the kids are in school? Hang in there!

angelcake20 · 31/03/2024 09:30

I have usually worked 0.6 but spread over 4 days so I mostly work shorter days. This means I do have some classes on my own, though we share a lot of classes anyway. I find this a better balance (I’m actually doing 0.7 this year and really regretting the extra hours).

Africa2004 · 31/03/2024 09:33

I could’ve written your post. I do 3 days & it sucks. I can’t do my job properly, everyone forgets I’m part time so have the same amount t of work. I do all the housework on my days off then solo parent all weekend! It’s tricky because most people think it sounds lovely.

WishesPromised · 31/03/2024 10:01

I personally found 3 days to be a better balance as when I worked 5 days I lost all my weekend to domestic servitude.
Made me want to murder my husband when I was miserable washing, cleaning and cooking and he was indulging in his hobbies and sitting on his arse. He's always going to be a lazy so and so, after two decades I've given up on battling with him. He can take on other pressures to balance it out.

Letstrytogetwarm · 31/03/2024 10:17

@Salmakia - I know this won’t be a popular view and ideally we would be 50/50 parents but we just aren’t.

The most important factor is pay. DH earns so much more than I do. And his pay will keep going up while mine won’t. He earns around £90,000 while even when I was HOD of a core subject my salary was just under £50,000 and the stress and workload of doing that with two tiny ones isn’t something I want to do. So that’s the main problem.

Also Dhs work just doesn’t lend itself to that sort of flexibility. It just doesn’t. He’s often away and sometimes abroad.

And to be very blunt I’m a good parent. DH just doesn’t have my high standards 😆 on my days off with them (when not on maternity leave) we go to parks, groups, days out, I am really good at finding stuff they’ll both enjoy. They eat healthy home cooked meals, they have a routine sort of with DH even now over the bank holiday it’s hard work, giving them Easter eggs for breakfast, too much TV, house is trashed, OK it’s a one off but not every week.

And DH just wouldn’t go for it even if none of the above was relevant.

Ideally I would do two days but it’s not feasible at the moment. In the future I can do four days. I wouldn’t like to do full time again but may have to in the long run. We shall see.

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