Is the tide turning regarding gender ideology?

[Sparklybutold]

I exist in a world where the harms of gender ideology is very prevalent. I am also seeing there is a turning of conversations. With more cases being brought forward of the harm done owing to gender affirmative care and gender ideology I am hoping that this continues. Over the weekend was a major conference looking at this very issue, again this conference was targeted to be shut down (unsuccessfully) and the TRAs arrived shouting there usual nonsense. I am seeing a shift in the debate and I'm curious what others are experiencing in their own worlds?

[AllPrincessAnneshorses]

Son's trans [ been nb well over 10 years] spouse and son are very happy with many gender non conforming friends. Sorry to disappoint you.
Not.

[Blackcats7]

I certainly hope the tide is turning. The worst of the situation has been that rational discussion is banned with shrieks of “bigot”.
If we can all start talking to each other and listening I hope a workable way forward might be achieved.

[WindowsSmindows]

During COVID lockdown there was an explosion of teenage girls presenting with "Tourette's" that often included them shouting BEANS and slapping their mothers.
It was usually to the parents suprise that the doctors did not in fact endorse a diagnosis of Tourette's but told them it was a tictok created non neurological condition ie hysteria.
But when a teenager says they are the opposite to what they actually biologically are - sure thing- let me just make sure that everyone indulges that ridiculous notion - no need to ever question or explore it- let's affirm it, here's a new friend group and some kudos oh and some hormones if you like......

[AlwaysGinPlease]

Hopefully OP. It's such unbearable nonsense.

[glittercunt]

You hope that more cases of people regretting transition come forward?

Please tell me your OP just reads badly and that you're not genuinely hoping more people become upset over their transition?

[Nousernamesleftatall]

I hope so.

[HangingOnJustAbout]

I feel we are moving away from #nodebate and becoming more sensible about it - you can identify as you wish but that does not mean you can claim the rights of your identified sex.

I will show respect trans and NB adults, at a push I might use pronouns but am more likely to over use their name.

Children are a different issue, we now know that those who are heavily affirmed go on to transition as adults whilst those who are treated in a more rational manner (dress and behave as you wish but you're still a...) tend not to.

[ManchesterBeatrice]

Ooh what was the major conference?

[DetOliviaBenson]

@AllPrincessAnneshorses

Son's trans [ been nb well over 10 years] spouse and son are very happy with many gender non conforming friends. Sorry to disappoint you.
Not.

Edited

What does being gender non-conforming have to do with trans and gender ideology?

[GreyCarpet]

It's never been a thing in my world.

Colleagues, friends, family, people across all socio-economic groups, all levels of education, across cultures and ethnicities, male and female... I've only met two people who had any time for it. A 52 year old nurse and a late teenage male.

[Sparklybutold]

@glittercunt

You hope that more cases of people regretting transition come forward?

Please tell me your OP just reads badly and that you're not genuinely hoping more people become upset over their transition?

No, I won't be happy that there is a whole group of vulnerable people who have made irreversible and damaging decisions to their bodies. I haven't caused this - gender ideology has. I am angry that this has been allowed to continue. I am angry that many so-called professionals have idly stood by and done nothing. I am angry that so many people have been irreversibly harmed. I am angry at the damage done to science and medicine as a whole. I could continue, but I think you get my gist.

[Sparklybutold]

@ManchesterBeatrice

Ooh what was the major conference?

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[Sparklybutold]

@AllPrincessAnneshorses

Son's trans [ been nb well over 10 years] spouse and son are very happy with many gender non conforming friends. Sorry to disappoint you.
Not.

Edited

This isn't about refuting the existence of trans people, but the known explosion of people identifying as trans and the toxicity in particular with TW.

The fact that gender affirming has been allowed to continue for so long is a medical injustice. Many who want to debate it, want there to be effective provision of care but not to the extent it actually damages the person it is professing to help, whilst also impacting the life's of so many other people, mostly women.

[scorpiogirly]

It should never have gained any traction. Its utter lunacy.

[Alwaysalwayscold]

It absolutely is and more and more legislation is being put in place to put a stop to the lunacy.

I think it's because it's becoming more known about. Before when people would campaign for "gender affirming care" the majority of the public had no idea (and most didn't care) what this was and didn't get involved. Now people know more like the fact that they want children to have double mastectomies, they obviously feel strongly about it and want to stop it.

[Sparklybutold]

@scorpiogirly

It should never have gained any traction. Its utter lunacy.

I remember taking many lectures at uni with the underlying premise there were 2 sexes only. The fact that this is now contested and to say this would be akin to being a bigot is astonishing. The complete denial and then punishment to those who have fearlessly said 'no, that's utter crap'. The fact that many HCPs have been forced to affirm it. There is no other pathology I can think of where we would be expected to affirm. And then to even state it's a pathology is akin to violence, whilst at the same time the demand for medical help.

[Womblingmerrily]

I hope so.

My concern is whilst there is money to be made in lucrative cosmetic surgeries and lifelong pharmaceutical dependence as well as future fertility treatments then the pushing will continue.

I will continue to push back. I encourage others to do the same.

If you want clarification on what I'm pushing against - it's the promotion of harmful stereotypes of what it is to be a man or woman, the promotion of changing and damaging your perfectly healthy body to match your transient and manipulated feelings and the refusal to help people struggling with those feelings without insisting their body is 'wrong'.

[Sparklybutold]

@Womblingmerrily

I hope so.

My concern is whilst there is money to be made in lucrative cosmetic surgeries and lifelong pharmaceutical dependence as well as future fertility treatments then the pushing will continue.

I will continue to push back. I encourage others to do the same.

If you want clarification on what I'm pushing against - it's the promotion of harmful stereotypes of what it is to be a man or woman, the promotion of changing and damaging your perfectly healthy body to match your transient and manipulated feelings and the refusal to help people struggling with those feelings without insisting their body is 'wrong'.

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[Underthinker]

Yeah I think there are fewer people who will wholeheartedly argue the gender ideology position anymore - mainly because it's been exposed time and again as a bunch of indefensible nonsense.

[wiffin]

I have 3 teenagers. Youngest I think pretty oblivious, puberty yet to really kick in. Older two definitely eye roll over some of the identities at school, mainly the frequent changes. Very against biological men in women's sport.

Very accepting of people and their differences, which I love. Until it becomes unfair. Which i also love. Did not like the idea of sharing a tent or dorm with somebody who identified as trans (ie opposite sex). Don't believe you can actually change sex, but realise that some people don't want to present in the same way as somebody else.

All unprompted by me and at a Stonewall school (their cofe primary also created 3 atheists). Am nervously hopeful dc3 will come to the same conclusions.

[literalviolence]

@Sparklybutold

This isn't about refuting the existence of trans people, but the known explosion of people identifying as trans and the toxicity in particular with TW.

The fact that gender affirming has been allowed to continue for so long is a medical injustice. Many who want to debate it, want there to be effective provision of care but not to the extent it actually damages the person it is professing to help, whilst also impacting the life's of so many other people, mostly women.

Well said. It's also not about being gender conforming. Most people I know are gender non-conforming. That doesn't make them trans. Gender conformity hasn't been the norm for 20 years or more. It doesn't need a label. It's just normal.

It's very important that people hear anti-gender ideology as 'anti stereotypes' not some endorsement of the 1950's.

[StormingNorman]

I feel for young children and teens these days. Things that were tomboyish when I was a child, I’ve heard youngsters cite as reasons why they question their gender these days.

Children have more options for self-identification now and that’s a good thing, but it means they need much longer to discover who they are.

I don’t want children to be harmed by not getting treatment, but starting too soon can also be harmful. It’s difficult to know when the right time to treat gender dysphoria would be.

[Geebray]

I think in the "old days", say about five years ago, most people thought that being transgender meant you had to have had surgery.

But now, with the issue becoming more mainstream in sport, they realise that if you can yourself a woman, then the world has to say you are one. And a lot of people are WTF?

[Sparklybutold]

My daughter is a toddler. Sometimes she pretends to be a cat. Sometimes she calls herself a boy. Sometimes she calls her friends who are girls, boys and vice versa. I am glad I am grounded in the fact this is normal. I also feel angry that there are families out there who would jump on my daughter's behaviour as evidence she is trans.

[GreigeO]

Yes, I think we all our huge debt of gratitude Maya Forestarter.

Without her win, I think a lot of people were afraid of losing jobs etc if they spoke up.

I'm not wandering around being gender critical (which surely is the same thing as gender nonconforming, no?) at work, because I work at a university, and they are still hotbeds of nonsense.

However, I do at least know that if I were to say something I wouldn't get sacked.

And that helps me breathe a bit easier.

The whole thing is a load of fucking nonsense.