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To not allow viewings over the school holidays.

87 replies

bettycat81 · 23/03/2024 14:27

Last September my landlord informed me that they wanted to sell my home. I can no longer afford local rents (current rent is below this) and cannot move further away as I don't drive so wouldn't be able to get to work to pay for that rent either. I am waiting for an eviction notice and to be made homeless.

My landlord needs to sell because their mortgage has increased and they have other financial struggles too.

The house has been on the market for 5/6 months. So there has been a constant dread of unknown people coming into my home, waiting for an eviction notice, not knowing where/when i'll be moving etc. Until recently there had only been two viewings but the price has recently been reduced and so there is more interest.

The estate agents have messed me about on few occasions cancelling appointments without telling me (unnecessary cleaning/tidying leaving the property) and yesterday changed the time without telling me and walked in just as I had got home from work.

On top of that the past few weeks at work have been stressful with consultations for a restructure.

I work in a school and so would like to really relax over the Easter holidays. WIBU to say no viewings during this time? I feel for my landlord but my mental health is starting to suffer.

OP posts:
Beezknees · 23/03/2024 17:46

buckingmad · 23/03/2024 14:31

Meaning they get evicted sooner?

OP YABU. You talk about your mental health but have no consideration for the mental health of your landlord who you say has financial worries too.

That's their problem to deal with! They own a property that they will get money from, OP is about to be homeless, she's in a far worse situation.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:48

HelloMiss · 23/03/2024 14:37

YABU

Messing the landlord around forcing him to evict you, then messing with viewings.

Legally the landlord will know that even if the tenancy agreement has a clause in for viewings the tenant does not need to allow them.

So actually she is doing the landlord a favour by allowing them.

Equally the landlord will be aware that he will need to evict her for her to be deemed homeless for rehousing purposes. The reason he isn't is because he wants to carry on collecting rent to pay his financial obligations for as long as possible otherwise he would have already started such proceedings

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:52

pizzaHeart · 23/03/2024 15:51

That’s an interesting view because the vast majority referred to the right of access in the tenancy agreement with prior notice. And personally it makes sense to me.

We also were at the moment of holidays and viewings could have become really difficult. It didn’t happen luckily as there were no much interest.

Right of access is to effect repairs on notice or emergency maintenance without. Not to allow viewings. Your LL or agents spun you a line. On MN enough people knkw this to give the correct info.

hairbrush1234 · 23/03/2024 17:52

Cherrysoup · 23/03/2024 17:21

Which will properly piss off the landlord who does not have to agree to this, particularly if their mortgage has shot up.

Actually they do. The tenant has a right to quiet enjoyment of the property and if the landlord wants to get out of that, he'll have to pay. Or have a void month or two.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:57

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 23/03/2024 17:00

OP, with respect, the more viewings you allow the more flexible you are the better the chance of selling. You asking about a 2 week gap during kids hols is unreasonable, IMO.
Work with the LL, EA's and reduce your stress. I'm sure the LL will do their best to give you as much notice as possible.

Its good you are "thinking about the ll" but you do not know how desprate she may be.

It's in her interest for it not to sell. The landlord would start eviction proceedings if he wants her out. As it is he wants to keep collecting rent to fulfill his financial obligations.

She does not have to allow ANY viewings at all legally. So she is already doing the landlord a favour by allowing them at present.

As for the LL being desperate have a thought for the tenant who can't afford market rent nearby and is going to have to be made homeless tk be rehoused. Are you the Landlord?

OhmygodDont · 23/03/2024 17:57

Op wants or needs a council house. She has to sit this out until bailiffs evict her basically a reference isn’t needed since she cannot afford other local properties.

Be mad at the system for the baliff part. Tenants are basically given no option.

DysmalRadius · 23/03/2024 18:00

Your landlord is trying to have the best of both worlds - collecting rent from you while selling the house. It may be understandable and I can tell you're sympathetic, but you're at their mercy because they're effectively making you operate to their timetable by not starting the official eviction process, so the fact that you are in limbo is down to them.

I wouldn't be too concerned about doing any more for them than you already are!! They're leaving you to wait it out until they decide to drop the price/serve notice/ take it off the market, and you're paying for the privilege!

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:01

Cherrysoup · 23/03/2024 17:21

Which will properly piss off the landlord who does not have to agree to this, particularly if their mortgage has shot up.

So what? Don't you think a tenant who is going to be evicted and in the meantime is being messed around by an agent is going to be properly pissed off. Indeed legally she can prevent all viewings until the landlord has possession of the property so he is the one who shouldn't be pissing her off.

BruFord · 23/03/2024 18:06

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:57

It's in her interest for it not to sell. The landlord would start eviction proceedings if he wants her out. As it is he wants to keep collecting rent to fulfill his financial obligations.

She does not have to allow ANY viewings at all legally. So she is already doing the landlord a favour by allowing them at present.

As for the LL being desperate have a thought for the tenant who can't afford market rent nearby and is going to have to be made homeless tk be rehoused. Are you the Landlord?

It’s shit all around, @Spirallingdownwards . Neither the landlord nor the tenant can currently afford the house so it has to be sold. Obviously more shit for the tenant.

hairbrush1234 · 23/03/2024 18:07

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:57

It's in her interest for it not to sell. The landlord would start eviction proceedings if he wants her out. As it is he wants to keep collecting rent to fulfill his financial obligations.

She does not have to allow ANY viewings at all legally. So she is already doing the landlord a favour by allowing them at present.

As for the LL being desperate have a thought for the tenant who can't afford market rent nearby and is going to have to be made homeless tk be rehoused. Are you the Landlord?

Why on earth does she want to increase the chances of the place selling? her interests are in entirely the other direction.

HelloMiss · 23/03/2024 18:08

Doubt she will even get a like god like property

More like a hotel or b and b

Prepare to put your furniture in storage, and lose out on a reference

jengachampion · 23/03/2024 18:08

@Beezknees

Yeah, and I think she'd be pissed off if someone contributed to them for no reason at all. She can easily agree to 1 or 2 viewings a week.

HelloMiss · 23/03/2024 18:08

*for

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2024 18:09

Do an open house viewing so everyone has a certain time to come round rather than dribs and drabs.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:11

hairbrush1234 · 23/03/2024 18:07

Why on earth does she want to increase the chances of the place selling? her interests are in entirely the other direction.

Exactly what I said so unsure why you quoted me. Presume you meant tk tag someone else.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:13

BruFord · 23/03/2024 18:06

It’s shit all around, @Spirallingdownwards . Neither the landlord nor the tenant can currently afford the house so it has to be sold. Obviously more shit for the tenant.

Which is why if the tenant says she wants a 2 week break from viewings any reasonable and sensible landlord would agree otherwise like on this thread the tenant will be advised she doesn't even have to allow any viewings at all legally.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:15

jengachampion · 23/03/2024 18:08

@Beezknees

Yeah, and I think she'd be pissed off if someone contributed to them for no reason at all. She can easily agree to 1 or 2 viewings a week.

And the landlord could easily agree to 2 weeks off. But the good thing about some MNers trying to harang OP into allowing viewings is she now knows that legally she doesn't have to allow any at all, not just over Easter.

schloss · 23/03/2024 18:15

If the EA is letting themselves in the presumption must be they have a key, make sure if you have a yale lock, you lock it so the EA cannot enter, or if you have any other type of lock do something to ensure they cannot just enter.

I would try and come to some compromise about viewings and as per above if the times are changed, you are messed around you can stop them gaining access to suit them. That forces the agents to have to work around you rather than the other way round.

pizzaHeart · 23/03/2024 18:19

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 17:52

Right of access is to effect repairs on notice or emergency maintenance without. Not to allow viewings. Your LL or agents spun you a line. On MN enough people knkw this to give the correct info.

It’s actually MN who gave me this info, not LL or agent.
I asked on MN to be prepared when LL mentioned that he’s putting for sale. However it didn’t result in any viewings until we left so the conversation with LL didn’t happen. MN told me that I had to allow viewings.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:23

pizzaHeart · 23/03/2024 18:19

It’s actually MN who gave me this info, not LL or agent.
I asked on MN to be prepared when LL mentioned that he’s putting for sale. However it didn’t result in any viewings until we left so the conversation with LL didn’t happen. MN told me that I had to allow viewings.

Must have been a quiet night on MN then because literally every other landlord and tenant thread regarding viewings is littered with the correct advice. But going forward you now know your rights even if the tenancy agreement says otherwise so that's good.

justasking111 · 23/03/2024 18:24

Just ask your landlord for the eviction notice explaining why you need it for the council. But beware you may end up miles away. Our council are housing some families in a disused golf club, others outside the area. If you're over 50 you might find a housing association will have room for you.

OhmygodDont · 23/03/2024 18:24

To be fair a year or two ago Mumsnet was full of bad advice for tenants. It’s taken a stream of people correcting them to finally change that tide.

Cherrysoup · 23/03/2024 18:25

hairbrush1234 · 23/03/2024 17:52

Actually they do. The tenant has a right to quiet enjoyment of the property and if the landlord wants to get out of that, he'll have to pay. Or have a void month or two.

Think you’ve misread or misquoted. I’ve quite clearly said that the tenant doesn’t have to agree viewings. You’ve quoted my post about the landlord not having to accept a rent reduction.

Cherrysoup · 23/03/2024 18:27

Spirallingdownwards · 23/03/2024 18:01

So what? Don't you think a tenant who is going to be evicted and in the meantime is being messed around by an agent is going to be properly pissed off. Indeed legally she can prevent all viewings until the landlord has possession of the property so he is the one who shouldn't be pissing her off.

Edited

Another?! I have referenced the tenant being told to demand a rent reduction to accept viewings, not that she should accept viewings.

Beezknees · 23/03/2024 18:32

jengachampion · 23/03/2024 18:08

@Beezknees

Yeah, and I think she'd be pissed off if someone contributed to them for no reason at all. She can easily agree to 1 or 2 viewings a week.

She is being evicted, that's not "no reason at all".

Again, the landlord's problems are not her problems.

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