To think nursery should be able to remove all poo from nappy?

[ExasperatedByNursery]

My toddler has been going to nursery since they were a baby and over the last few months an issue has developed where they are regularly (about 90% of the time) coming home with bits of poo in the creases and sometimes in the nappy itself. By bits of poo I mean noticeable specks. I’ve raised this repeatedly with management who assured me that they would get it sorted by speaking to staff and ensuring everyone was properly trained. It’s happened again this week and on raising it this time, management has basically responded that while they’ll continue to keep an eye on it, there is nothing more they can do, and have implied that our next step might be to remove our child from the nursery. I’m pretty shocked. They seem to basically be saying that they can’t guarantee that staff are well trained enough to clean nappies thoroughly and so we should just leave (presumably so that someone else can take the place who hopefully doesn’t notice or is just less inclined to complain?!). We’ve always been polite when raising this so it just seems like they can’t be bothered any more. Is it unreasonable to expect there not to regularly be specks of poo left in our child’s nappy?

What's a speck? Poppyseed sized, or almond sized?
Personally...
Poppyseed, I'd not care much if the nursery is otherwise good and child does not have nappy rash or anything.
Almond, a bit gross right enough.

Just my opinion, no idea what the industry standard is, which is really what you are asking.

Do you actually mean the nappy isn’t cleaned or do you mean your child’s bottom and genitals aren’t cleaned?

It varies - can be poppyseed or almond! Usually a mixture. I would like to know the industry standard if there is such a thing, but haven’t as yet found anything on this.

Do you mean non disposable nappies? I've never heard of a nursery cleaning nappies.

Do you mean the nursery is not cleaning your child properly after a dirty nappy, then there is residue in the new clean nappy when they get home?

Ah just to clarify - by cleaning nappies I mean cleaning their bum - not the nappy itself. So the nursery isn’t properly cleaning their bum up, which results in specks on both my toddler and within the nappy.

Exactly this.

I wouldn’t be happy about this, it can result in a nappy rash quite easily.

Why do you call it cleaning nappies? That’s so odd.
of course they should clean the child properly

Yeah they should be cleaning properly. I've had 2 kids at nursery and neither of them has ever come home not cleaned properly. Maybe lots of young or inexperienced staff? Or is your child maybe resisting nappy changes which makes it trickier for them?

We had this occasionally but not too often. Perhaps older members of staff struggling?

Only thing I would question is do you give your child something like wheetabix for breakfast? It leaves almost impossible to clean oat like bits all over the bum that just spread around and around.... otherwise no you are not being OTT.

Right, I was so confused!

Me too @ButterflyKu 🤔

Yes course they should clean your childs bum properly after a poo

I would take photos of bum /nappy and send to manager

This is really really basic childcare unless your child has a bad belly regularly. It was a basic standard when I was a trainee in the first stage of nvq. What are they cleaning with? I would only expect an occasional small spec or two periodically. And I'd expect a manager to be mortified their staff can't do it.

Photograph a child's bum!? Please don't do this. So many really this is wrong.

Yeah, that wouldn't be massively inappropriate images to send to anybody...

Are you joking? What's the cut off age for being able to change a happy properly?

What a nasty comment.

I have a friend who works at a nursery where nappy changes, sunscreen and meals are all "included". In practice though, they are told to not use more than 3 wipes per soiled change unless it's a blowout. That's why I included wipes. Also, if your child is older than 2 and a bit, this may be nursery's way of nudging them (and you) towards toilet training, but I am a cynic.

DON'T TAKE PHOTOS OF YOUR CHILDS BUM

No that's not normal or acceptable. And is not a normal or acceptable response from the nursery either, in my opinion!

Our nursery checks out son's nappies hourly and is logged via an app whether it was dry, wet or soiled and is changed accordingly. He's never come home with nappy rash or a visibly dirty bottom.

Absolutely do not do this!! You’d think nobody would but I’m aware of a situation where it did happen. The person was advised by a senior member of staff that it was:
A) Potentially a criminal offence
B) Definitely a safeguarding concern
C) Completely inappropriate and unacceptable

It's really not.

I'm not even particularly old (mid 40s) but I know my hands and wrists aren't as good as they used to be! I definitely feel my carpal tunnel more now for example!