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AIBU to feel that some parents just want their children at Uni even if its a BS degree

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 19/03/2024 20:57

Hello
I come from a background/culture where education is seen as very important and going to a university is a must (My parents came to England in 1962)

Yes, more and more jobs are seeking degrees and often even when not necessary. There are many professions where you must have a degree to join the course training

However, what I and my family call BS degrees, to name but a few

Arts
Studio Fine arts
Arth History
Business studies
Exercise Science
Fashion

I cant see what jobs they will get as there must be other routes, less intensive and extensive to get the job they want

When I've talked about mickey-mouse degrees at parties etc and not be aware that some parents children or they may have studied them, they start to defend the indefensible.
The biggest bS degree is 'Politics' - WTH!! Sadly, we know a few people whose children have done that and ended up running the family shop/business - total waste of a degree

There are other degrees just as crappy - they should be banned IMO

AIBU to think these degrees are a waste of time and often do not aid the person into a job in that field?

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ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 15:04

Read the link from MN, the OP. And stop being deliberately obtuse as if they were that good at that age, they would have been earning to excellent amounts then. Are you saying that 16 year olds are not intelligent job wise, not all of them but a good percentage??

Apart from the fact this makes very little sense.....
I'm not saying 16 year olds aren't intelligent but are they 'job ready' and able to walk into a high paying job with nothing but a handful of GCSEs?? I would say that anyone doing this is very much the exception rather than the rule.

What is your experience of working with 16year olds?

Runnerinthenight · 22/03/2024 15:09

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 14:27

Read the link from MN, the OP. And stop being deliberately obtuse as if they were that good at that age, they would have been earning to excellent amounts then. Are you saying that 16 year olds are not intelligent job wise, not all of them but a good percentage??

If there's anyone here being "deliberately obtuse", it's you!!

16 year olds are immature because they're only 16. I wouldn't have wanted a 16 year old of mine working full-time! IMO 16 year olds should still be in full-time education.

FootieMama · 22/03/2024 16:51

I have a Stem degree that pretty much guarantee me a job. But I think you are very Unresonable. Specially by including History of Arts and Politics in your list. The world is not only made of people who make things. We need thinkers, artists, politicians and although a degree is not absolutely required it will help people along their choice of career. A lot of jobs in Stem for example will be lost to AI. Arts maybe a better bet for the future.

Buffs · 22/03/2024 16:58

For all your ‘education’ you don’t seem to value education.

vodkaredbullgirl · 22/03/2024 17:01

Thought all 16 year olds had to stay in education until they were 18, mine had to.

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 17:06

vodkaredbullgirl · 22/03/2024 17:01

Thought all 16 year olds had to stay in education until they were 18, mine had to.

They do.
Well, education or training.
If thru go into employment there is supposed to be evidence of training alongside work.

Ultimately society as whole benefits from a more educated population through better health, higher tax returns, lower unemployment and reduced crime.

HighLlamas · 22/03/2024 17:34

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 17:06

They do.
Well, education or training.
If thru go into employment there is supposed to be evidence of training alongside work.

Ultimately society as whole benefits from a more educated population through better health, higher tax returns, lower unemployment and reduced crime.

The OP appears to have put hers into magic ‘computer’ roles that were fine with employing 16 year olds, rather like Victorians putting child sweeps up chimneys.

I certainly hope they’re imaginary, along with their under-earning ‘failure’ dentist sibling, who may, nonetheless, eventually redeem him or herself by becoming an orthodontist and finally reach earning parity with the magic computer siblings. One imagines the three sending the OP screenshots of their salary monthly, so tabs can be kept for those all-important family parties.

JenJuniper10 · 22/03/2024 17:48

OP, I’m actually struggling to understand what you mean in a lot of your replies. I think you could do with an arts degree ;-)

MrsSunshine2b · 22/03/2024 19:00

I studied Law. I didn't keep in touch with many of my co-students, but the one I did keep in touch with is now a paramedic. I work for the civil service in a role completely unrelated to law.

Then I studied teaching. Out of the people I kept in touch with from that course, one is still a teacher.

It might shock you to find that pushing an 17 year old into applying for a "proper degree" will not necessarily lead to them pursuing a long and illustrious career in that field and there's a good chance that by the time the giant bag of pasta you left in the halls of residence is gone, they'll have already changed their mind twice.

Nmchanger · 22/03/2024 19:04

I have an arts degree and a masters currently Deputy Head of a Secondary School.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 19:32

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 14:51

Why is that FM not paying 16 quid a month?

Because she earns £58K.......

What you don't appear to have grasped is that student loan repayments are calculated on what you earn not what you borrow.
Someone earing £30K will pay back between £16-20 per month providing they started after 2012 (the exact amount will depend on what plan they are on a it varies between year of entry and country)

Oh, And there was nothing for me to 'own up' to. My name was right there and i have continued to comment on the thread.

So which one is it, is it 16 or is it 20 now?

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 19:34

MrsSunshine2b · 22/03/2024 19:00

I studied Law. I didn't keep in touch with many of my co-students, but the one I did keep in touch with is now a paramedic. I work for the civil service in a role completely unrelated to law.

Then I studied teaching. Out of the people I kept in touch with from that course, one is still a teacher.

It might shock you to find that pushing an 17 year old into applying for a "proper degree" will not necessarily lead to them pursuing a long and illustrious career in that field and there's a good chance that by the time the giant bag of pasta you left in the halls of residence is gone, they'll have already changed their mind twice.

Who is "pushing" who?
Speaking ones opionis to a well-educated 16-year-old, how is that "pushing" them?

You are now saying people can't talk to kids and give their opinions?

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DigitalDust · 22/03/2024 19:52

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 19:32

So which one is it, is it 16 or is it 20 now?

That’s already answered in her post

the exact amount will depend on what plan they are on a it varies between year of entry and country

Runnerinthenight · 22/03/2024 19:54

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 19:34

Who is "pushing" who?
Speaking ones opionis to a well-educated 16-year-old, how is that "pushing" them?

You are now saying people can't talk to kids and give their opinions?

In what world is a 16 year old "well educated"? Don't be so daft!

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 19:55

So which one is it, is it 16 or is it 20 now

Maybe read the whole post......
It's clearly explained.

There are different repayment plans depending on when you started studying and where you live. It's not difficult 🤷🏼‍♀️

TheCompactPussycat · 22/03/2024 20:11

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 19:32

So which one is it, is it 16 or is it 20 now?

That will depend on various factors. For example, if you use a salary sacrifice scheme to pay your pension contributions as I do, that will bring down your taxable income and will therefore reduce your earnings over the threshold, thus bringing down the repayments.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 20:46

DigitalDust · 22/03/2024 19:52

That’s already answered in her post

the exact amount will depend on what plan they are on a it varies between year of entry and country

"country"??

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 22/03/2024 20:48

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 19:55

So which one is it, is it 16 or is it 20 now

Maybe read the whole post......
It's clearly explained.

There are different repayment plans depending on when you started studying and where you live. It's not difficult 🤷🏼‍♀️

Ok, "its not diffiuclt" - no its not, so it is NOT "16" pounds a month for all those that are earning 3ok?

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ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 20:51

Ok, "its not diffiuclt" - no it's not, so it is NOT "16" pounds a month for all those that are earning 3ok?

Except it is for some .......
What bit are you finding difficult?

Do you not understand that there are different repayment plans?

I've explained this to groups of 17 year olds and they've managed to grasp it.

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 20:52

country

Are you struggling with the fact England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries?

Wait until you hear about international fees and how they work 😂😂😂

Dynamitepussycat · 22/03/2024 21:18

My parents couldn’t aff

Dynamitepussycat · 22/03/2024 21:22

My parents couldn’t afford uni for me so I got a job instead. No student loan like some of the people I work with who went through years of uni and ended up in the same job I am doing.

Saschka · 22/03/2024 21:22

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 20:52

country

Are you struggling with the fact England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries?

Wait until you hear about international fees and how they work 😂😂😂

I think the Chatbot has got stuck and is just reposting random words now 🤣

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 21:25

I think the Chatbot has got stuck and is just reposting random words now 🤣

😂😂 it is getting more and more challenging to understand!

vodkaredbullgirl · 22/03/2024 21:47

ElaineMBenes · 22/03/2024 20:52

country

Are you struggling with the fact England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries?

Wait until you hear about international fees and how they work 😂😂😂

I was going to put that until I saw your post 😊