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What is going on with Boeing and plane safety?

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Anxiulyyy · 12/03/2024 05:26

Its trending on twitter that a whistle-blower is dead.

What was he exposing?

I didn't even know something was going on.

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Northernsouloldies · 12/03/2024 06:05

It was to do with maintenance procedures being skipped, inferior materials being used, mechanics being able to sign off their own work plus I'm sure a whole load of other things.

Guavafish1 · 12/03/2024 06:11

There a good Netflix documentary on Boeing. The Downfall: Case against Boeing.

They floated the company on the stock market, so the share holder didn't care about safety. They wanted profits.

Hence, the above poster is correct in cost cutting which has affected its safety performance and lead to loss of lives.

Alcyoneus · 12/03/2024 06:34

Lesson: choose airlines which fly airbus only.

araiwa · 12/03/2024 07:10

There's a recent episode of last week tonight with John oliver available on YouTube that will address your lack of knowledge about Boeing.

The suicide was after the episode aired though

notimagain · 12/03/2024 07:34

Boeing used to be engineer driven and there was pride in the quality of the product but as @Guavafish1 said a while back there was a change of company mindset at the very top and it's become shareholder value driven with consequences for quality control...

That said there's a bit of a media pile on as well, a twenty year old 777 dropping a wheel on take off, or a 737 going off a taxiway because a turn was attempted at too high a speed made a a few headlines recently "because Boeing" but those incidents certainly weren't the fault of Boeing management.

choose airlines which fly airbus only.

and yet it seems not that long ago many people were supposedly avoiding Airbus because of wild rumours about issues with software.

notimagain · 12/03/2024 08:05

Alcyoneus · 12/03/2024 06:34

Lesson: choose airlines which fly airbus only.

Just to address that point directly: given a lot of airlines have a mix of fleets that's tough to do unless you're going to only fly short haul with for example Easyjet.

Having flown (not "flown on", I do mean flown) Boeing products for over half my working career personally I'd still have no real qualms about hopping on a Boeing and certainly no issues at all about flying on something like the odd 747 that's still around or any of the currently operational variants of the 777, as operated by Emirates, BA and a lot of other operators.

Alexandra2001 · 12/03/2024 08:16

Boeing with the 737 Max allowed 2 planes to crash into the ground due to s/w issues (to get around the design of the plane) with 100s of lives lost.

After the first crash, Boeing denied any issue and allowed the 2nd plane to crash some 6 months later.... totally avoidable but they valued the share price over those 157 lives.

They then had such lax mtce procedures that a blank door fell off.

Airline safety over the decades has become fantastic but Boeing at the moment, seem intent at undoing this progress.

Main whistleblower dies? i bet Boeing are breathing a sigh of relief!

Willmafrockfit · 12/03/2024 08:25

shocking

NoIamcactusius · 12/03/2024 08:30

And something in the news today about people getting jettisoned into the air and they need to analyse the black box. I don’t take any unnecessary flights to keep my carbon footprint low and today I feel glad about that!

KrisAkabusi · 12/03/2024 08:37

Alcyoneus · 12/03/2024 06:34

Lesson: choose airlines which fly airbus only.

Statistics don't back up your lesson. Ryanair is the largest airline in Europe, exclusively uses Boeing planes, and has never had a fatal accident.

notimagain · 12/03/2024 08:44

NoIamcactusius · 12/03/2024 08:30

And something in the news today about people getting jettisoned into the air and they need to analyse the black box. I don’t take any unnecessary flights to keep my carbon footprint low and today I feel glad about that!

Sounds like the Latam 787 near NZ. I wouldn’t use the term jettisoned myself but certainly people got badly thrown around in the cabin.

Lots of media fuelled rumours doing the rounds (because Boeing, again) but what happened could have been down to Clear Air Turbulence (CAT), that’s happened before, it’ll no doubt happen again..OTOH could be something more sinister.

As you say people will need to see the data stored on the various recorders
before reaching any definite conclusion.

Anxiulyyy · 12/03/2024 13:06

This is scary.

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