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AIBU?

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Family drama

28 replies

mrsgingamunki · 11/03/2024 00:00

Where do i even start with this?

At the beginning I suppose.

Many years ago (late 90s) my younger cousin was sponsored to go to uni in the UK from East Africa.
As my mums neice my mum and stepdad did everything they could for her - bought her warm clothes, helped furnish her uni digs and even drove her to Bath (from London) and helped her settle in. My mum and Stepdad (SD) did everything they would have done as if she was their child. And that's all great - my parents are wonderful decent people.
Over the years we all get on great, she's like another sister to me - we're quite close in age and we often go to gigs and events together. My parents often help her out with diy and moving stuff from place to place as she moves around London. She comes to all family events and I love having her about. I love her like a sister.
And just because I know someone will ask... she has one serious bf, in the time I've known her in the uk, that we meet - the rest have been casual encounters but no one special.

Then the drama.
In late 2019 she receives some whatsapp messages from my SD and after showing them to her friend accuses my SD of sending suggestive text messages to her which she is uncomfortable receiving.
My SD, at this point is 71 and not the most text savvy - he tends to type as he would speak but forgets you're not infront of him to then understand the tone of what he's trying the say. We tend to just speak in the phone now and not text.
She speaks to my mum, her aunt, about this but not my SD. She also doesn't speak to me about this and misses my 40th birthday party - i acknowledge that speaking to me would be tricky so I leave the ball in her court so to speak.
I haven't heard from her since.

When she accused my SD he was broken. He was distraught and so was my mum.
I have known my SD since I was 5 years old and I'm lucky to have had him in my life as another Dad as well as my biological dad.
My SD only ever saw her as another daughter but she didn't want to hear him out, hear an apology or anything he had to say. She'd made up her mind and that was that.
It hurt to think she could think that of my SD and just cut us out.
In the world of "me too" i respected her right to feel as she did and I never heard from her again.

Now, clearly, my mum has kept in touch as she tells me this week that my cousin had seen the error of her ways and is sorry. Very sorry and apologetic.
My mum has now invited her over for Easter Sunday.
She has told her that I'll be fine, that I'm not one to hold grudges as life's too short. That it'll all be ok.
But I don't know I can be as forgiving as my ever christian mother.
My cousin has caused so much hurt and anguish.
I can't see how my parents can forgive her and invite her into their home.
How am I supposed to be in the same room as her?
I know I need to see her and have this out before Easter Sunday but my AIBU is literally that... AIBU to not forgive her??
I dearly want to be the bigger person here but I'm so so hurt for everything she put my dear SD through.

Thank you if you've made it this far.

Help me mumsnetters.

OP posts:
Oneofthesurvivors · 11/03/2024 00:06

Maybe he shouldn't have sent her suggestive text messages.

UseItOrloseItt · 11/03/2024 00:09

It's hard to imagine what SD could have typed that was so innocent but came across as sexually suggestive tbh.

Goblinmodeactivated · 11/03/2024 00:12

OP you’ve omitted to mention what your SD said in the messages. But you don’t seem to be implying that she wasn’t telling the truth (and why would she) more that she wasn’t prepared to hear an apology/explanation. So if you think he did send suggestive messages, whatever the reason or however sorry, you do know who was at fault here right? It sure as shit wasn’t her.

BobbyBiscuits · 11/03/2024 00:16

Without knowing what the alleged text messages were, I can only assume she had her reasons. The language you used 'shes seen the error of her ways'. So you believe she just made it up for clout? If she says that's what she did and they forgave her than that's their business I guess.
Why not reach out to her? If they want to build bridges maybe you can too?

ZekeZeke · 11/03/2024 02:39

Your SD senr multiple suggestive texts to her, not one! Multiple!!!
Would be interested to see what exactly he sent 🤔

Lazypeopledrivemecrazy · 11/03/2024 03:23

I think we need to know what was said in the texts before we can really judge whether her behaviour was unreasonable. However, if your DM and SD are happy to forgive her, then I can't really see why you wouldn't.

Happyinarcon · 11/03/2024 03:54

I find it strange that you should be so emotionally invested in this situation but have never seen the messages. It’s like watching the last 5 mins of a crime thriller without having worked out what the crime was.

KomodoOhno · 11/03/2024 04:14

UseItOrloseItt · 11/03/2024 00:09

It's hard to imagine what SD could have typed that was so innocent but came across as sexually suggestive tbh.

Yes it seems odd a text mistake could come across this way.

Untethered · 11/03/2024 05:51

What did the messages say?

Even the nicest seeming family men can be creeps. My own uncle (dad’s brother) tried to flirt with me on the phone 🤮

Violettaa · 11/03/2024 06:01

I’m interested by the fact that you say he ‘types as he would speak’. Is it possible that she also finds him pervy in person?

But like the others, it’s impossible to say much without knowing the messages.

Either way, it doesn’t sound to me like something I’d cut off someone who was like a sister for. Those relationships are valuable!

Josette77 · 11/03/2024 06:03

So he did send pervy messages?

This is confusing.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 11/03/2024 06:05

Sure if the messages exist, this can easily be proven or not.

It seems far less ambiguous than alot of cases.

Autienotnaughtie · 11/03/2024 06:09

Without knowing what the messages were it's hard to say. Do you know what they were? Do you think they were appropriate?

Pippa12 · 11/03/2024 06:17

Why is your mum being so forgiving in this situation? Is your SD not terrified she will take issue in what he says and it will kick off all over again? Or is it that there was some truth in the accusation and they want to make amends with the cousin.

Without a rough idea of what was said in the messages unlikely people can guide you on here.

Either way, it’ll be as awkward as sin for sure!

MassageForLife · 11/03/2024 06:36

It sounds like at least two people thought the messages were suggestive.

Are you aware of what they actually said? If they came across as inappropriate, then what do you think she did wrong?

chillberri · 11/03/2024 06:39

What do you mean he types how he speaks? How does that make pervy messages less pervy?

I think you'd have to see or be told the content to make up your own mind

Saymyname28 · 11/03/2024 06:41

Can't comment without knowing the content of the messages. Either she was right or wrong.
71 year old men absolutely get caught sending much younger women suggestive messages.

I remember my grandad doing it to his grandsons girlfriend, claimed he was hacked when it came out. Everyone was quick to accept the wildly absurd explanation beucase "dad's old, he wouldn't do that, he doesn't understand texting."

puzzledout · 11/03/2024 07:17

Saymyname28 · 11/03/2024 06:41

Can't comment without knowing the content of the messages. Either she was right or wrong.
71 year old men absolutely get caught sending much younger women suggestive messages.

I remember my grandad doing it to his grandsons girlfriend, claimed he was hacked when it came out. Everyone was quick to accept the wildly absurd explanation beucase "dad's old, he wouldn't do that, he doesn't understand texting."

Yep sounds like the sort of ridiculous thing sone family would accept.

Mama2many73 · 11/03/2024 07:31

Did SD send suggestive messages or were they innocent that were misunderstood?
That has a big difference on the outcome.

Our friends split up, 2 DC under 4. He was a complete arsehole who broke her heart and it took him years to become a 'semi decent' parent, so she was basically a single parent for a long time.
He was 100% wrong in screwing up all their lives. Believe me she did nothing wrong, and nothing she could have done to improve the situation.
I HATED him but when I went to her house there were occasions he would turn up and I would be polite because that's what SHE wanted. Had he ever turned up at my door I would have had no qualms in hitting the arse!
If you can't behave yourself with her in your parents home then you simply don't go.

mrsgingamunki · 11/03/2024 07:43

Thank you everyone.
I don't personally have the messages but I have seen them - SD had nothing to hide and showed me.
They contained reference to an earlier, face to face, conversation about the fig tree in my parents garden.
My parents have a well established fig tree, hers was just a small plant. If i remember rightly the text was about how her plants leaves weren't big enough to cover much (in the context that fig leaves were used to cover modesty).

I know that if you read that kind of message without knowing the earlier conversation it would seem pervy and I told my SD this which he conceded it would.
He now understands that texts can be misinterpreted and now simply doesn't reply to texts at all.
He was distraught and was genuinely sorry to us. He never got to explain himself or say sorry to my cousin. She cut him, and me, out of her life.

I have no idea what goes through my mums head sometimes (inviting her to Easter Sunday lunch) but yes, I'm also concerned that she'll make acusations again.

Any relationship I have with her from here won't ever be the same as it was.

I need to sit down with her and listen to her side and take it from there.

OP posts:
Nicole1111 · 11/03/2024 08:26

If she is very sorry and apologetic why hasn’t she apologised to you or your sd?

JamesPringle · 11/03/2024 08:33

I think the fig leaf message was suggestive, especially as he's not usually a texter. Also, you said in your OP that there was more than one message. What else did he say?

I think you have your priorities messed up, although I do understand how hard this is for you and how you don't want to believe that your SD was being a bit pervy. But I don't think you should be thinking along the lines of how you can't forgive her, but rather how she can forgive you for not getting in touch when someone she was close to, someone she trusted, put her in a horrible position as your SD did.

chillberri · 11/03/2024 08:35

I don't buy this whole " texts messages can be misinterpreted" its just the same as speaking to someone

MassageForLife · 11/03/2024 09:25

chillberri · 11/03/2024 08:35

I don't buy this whole " texts messages can be misinterpreted" its just the same as speaking to someone

It's really not.

Communication is so much more than the words that we use. It's also tone of voice and body language. It has been suggested that 93% of communication is nonverbal, and only 7% are the words we use.

Losing that 93% can easily lead to misunderstandings.

Hopefullyquickquestion · 11/03/2024 11:03

I am extremely biased because I had a situation where an older stepfather ended up sending me suggestive stuff (and also in person) and therefore my feeling in general is, especially given the fig leaf context, that this sort of thing is likely to be intentional where he’s left room to deny/claim misunderstanding. Would be curious to know what the other messages said. Someone being old isn’t a get out of jail free card re inappropriate messaging.