Men Hate Women Pt2

[KattyBoomBoom95]

I was just about to reply on the former thread and realised it had reached the post limit, hence have continued on here.

I said I believed that men need to be careful when attempting to 'challenge' other men's behavior, especially when the perpetrator is of a violent nature or drunk. I also stated my belief that using the categorisation of male/female is sometimes less appropriate in my eyes than criminal/non criminal.

For example, there is always a lot of criticism aimed at 'men' for their much higher rates of perpetrating homicide. However, if we divide by murderer/non murderer, then literally over 99.99% of men are innocent, in contrast to when we use the distinction male/female in which case we can talk about all men. My point was that you wouldn't usually categorise a group based on the actions of a fraction of a percent of them, even if these actions were represented more frequently in that group than another.

I generally believe in personal responsibility over group culpability/sins of the fathers, yet after some thought I actually agree with the previous poster's example of boys at school egging each other on and I do think there is a situation here whereby men could object without putting themselves at risk in many instances.

I was talking in the context of homicide with the criminal/non criminal comment, saying that by using the second categorisation you avoid roping all men into the actions of much less than 1%.

The challenging bit I was talking about lower level stuff like men challenging other drunken men for catcalling women etc. Sometimes it's wise to do a risk assessment of what's worse between a stranger being catcalled and you receiving a broken jaw (or worse if your head bounces off the pavement as sometimes happens).

No, your argument makes no sense and you can't see it. The majority of murderers are men. The majority of rapists are men. The majority of violent criminals are men.
The fact that the majority of men are not convicted does not make them safe men, and thats how a risk assessment works.

Risk assessments make men furious. Being asked to move seats in an airline so you aren't sitting next to a lone child and getting angry enough to sue the airline does not make any man a good guy.

Until men take men on men dv seriously (I think it was 86 last year) I just can't take any argument about women killing men (1 per year) seriously.

You're the only one who seems unable to grasp my points. Men may be more violent overall but nobody contests this. However, there seems to be a lot of mental gymnastics in avoiding/ignoring the fact that women seemingly perpetrate a lot more DV than most people acknowledge/realise.

It's a pretty big revelation that turns a lot of feminist discourse on its head and yet people seem to be conveniently (wilfully?) ignoring it.

Is anyone actually discussing women killing men?

Jesus 🙄

Well, it'd be pretty insulting to be asked to move seats because you can't be trusted as a man. Especially as women perpetrate most child abuse. It wouldn't go over well if they asked another demographic to move, like if somebody didn't trust an individual of a particular skin colour sitting next to a child.

Please can you link to the evidence that women perpetrate most child abuse?

Ǹo we don't. Some men are cunts, so are some women. Given the title of this site, of course you here about shit men. But I know at least 5 men who can't see their children because of shit women. I had to deal with the woman who cancelled her ex husband car insurance because she slept with his friend...he crashed and killed someone by accident not knowing his ex had cancelled everything even his library membership! Despite her being unfaithful . It even went as far as the outside of the court room where I had to stop the case

• Children in mother-only households are 4 times more likely to be fatally abused than children in father-only households.
• Children in mother-only households are 40% more likely to be sexually abused than children in father-only households.
• Females are 78% of the perpetrators of fatal child abuse.
• Boys are four times more likely to be fatally abused and 24% more likely to be seriously abused than girls.

https://www.anxietycentre.com/statistics/abuse-statistics/

Right I'm a man and first off I am not going to rape you. Nor was I ever going to rape you or any other woman. Neither will I kill you unless I think you will kill me or mine.
I grew up in a shit area...Google the first British man convicted on DNA evidence in the uk....every man I know would better him should he return...ok there's everything you need to know about English men.

I said batter not better him

I would imagine, however, that the truth may be that in the mother only households it's often the male partner doing the abuse. But still women seem to perpetrate a pretty shocking amount of violence against children which is never discussed.

I'd imagine that poor mental health likely plays a part and poverty defo does as children in poor socioeconomic households are at much greater risk. But the same is true for men as well and we never see this mentioned as a mitigating factor. With suicide being the main cause of death in men <50 it's clear that men as a group have poor mental health.

Also, unlike the vast majority of DV cases, the violence is unlikely to be reciprocal with children.

Mate, we are talking about a bit more than shit men. As this writer puts it:

I’ve recorded some 3000 deaths over the past eight years – and there is one indisputable fact in these stories of lives lived and lost. Women are more likely to be erased by men than females.

So yeah, it’s a case of #NotAllMen but almost always a man!

Women are so angry as violence sweeps Australia: Sherele Moody | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

But what percentage of men are killing women? It's a vanishingly tiny percentage.

That doesn't make it OK of course, but it's not a sweeping epidemic by any stretch. When over 99.99% of men don't kill women you can't really say that men in general have a tendency to do so. It's overwhelmingly rare.

You might not like that fact yet it is a fact.

You don't seem to like facts much yourself.

And yet I've posted a lot more solid data than anybody else it would seem.

I'm not 'siding with men' btw. I take male violence every bit as seriously and it's no doubt a bigger issue. It's just that it's already a headline topic. I really hate the disingenuousness of how people are so happy to froth over male violence stats yet suddenly go quiet when the world's largest DV database and a metastudy of 1700 peer reviewed studies show that women perpetrate more DV, and also when other official data shows that women are the principle perpetrators of child abuse/murder.

I just can't accept that people are posting in good faith when they won't look at both sides of the coin. Not just in this discussion but in all the previous ones. I feel it's probably what is turning young women away from feminism as they specifically state 'toxicity' and 'man hating' as primary reasons.

The regulars on here won't care as they all back slap each other but in the real world this isn't helping women. It's causing them to throw the baby out with the bathwater and dismiss feminism entirely. The stats are out there. Only 7% of UK women are happy to call themselves feminists despite 75% believing in equality.

I know it gets people's backs up on here when I point this out but I don't care tbh. It needs discussed in the open.

I'm even beginning to doubt that feminism is the answer to equality tbh. Every time people mention men's issues the answer is "what's that got to do with us?". However, you can't fix society by only focusing on half of the people.

The issue with a lot of feminist discourse is that it doesn't accept that each sex has their own issues. It starts from the baseline that everything is great for men and that life sucks for women. 'Equality' isn't about making things better for everybody, it's only about bringing women up to some mythical status that men supposedly have (but clearly don't as they are apparently killing themselves in droves).

I think those figures need to be interpreted carefully in the context of the whole paper, which breaks down the stats much further into natural parents, family members and male partners of single mothers who are not the father of the child. Fatal abuse is also separated out and from what I can see on a quick read through, the ages of children doesn't appear to be clarified. Puerperal psychosis is not mentioned.
It is too late and I am too tired to study it in detail, but I will look at it again tomorrow. Elsewhere in the paper it states that males are responsible for 80% of child abuse. I think all the stats in the study need to be looked at, not just the small table linked.

people are so happy to froth over male violence stats

Lovely way to put it....

I don't need to stats to know my own personal history of male violence and sexual violence, thanks.

Men are responsible for the majority of sexual abuse I believe whereas women are responsible for more neglect etc and seemingly homicides. Of course, there are vastly more single mothers than single fathers so this alone skews the statistics.

I wasn't intending to demonise women. I just hate seeing the same old statistics about violence again and again whilst other areas go almost totally unacknowledged.

I think it's clear that men are much more violent but that women also perpetrate a lot more violence than is typically acknowledged. It seems an unpopular opinion on here but from my reading on the matter I believe testosterone plays a huge part. People on here always seem to quote Cordelia Fine but as a feminist I'm not sure she's an impartial source.

There's a hell of a lot of data linking testosterone to violence. Higher levels within the natural range affect the fight or flight area of the brain responsible for responding to threat and it has been observed that violent criminals generally have higher levels. Also that it makes both sexes more violent.

And of course there are reams of studies on other mammals. I feel that there must surely be some cognitive dissonance between stating that testosterone doesn't influence aggression but then widely accepting it as good practice to neuter male pets to make them less aggressive.

I'm sure you don't but it has little bearing on anyone other than yourself. You can't use your own anecdotal experiences to evaluate the whole of society because other people's experiences are completely different.

Actually, added together, mine and all the other women and girls' experiences of sexual assault and violence at the hands of men from childhood onward make up the stats you are so fond of smacking everyone over the head with.

Congrats on your sheltered life.

Congrats on your sheltered life.

Lol. I used to work in digital forensics. I've seen more than you'll see in your lifetime. Bestiality, murder, rape, child abuse. The whole lot.

Wow Ive just joined and I can now see why women have a bad rep on here! Lots of posts have replies like “That’s the behaviour of an abuser” and “ my ex who ….”
I can see we all have different views based on our own expiernce but not every man who does this does that if you get what I mean we all do and say things we regret for whatever reason but to jump to conclusion based on a few words is just quite frankly naive and miss informed.
based on this (I’ve had an abusive father and partner) I should be a man hating machine so it’s really refreshing to hear this poster say what they have said and I have to admit although I didn’t do it mindfully I presumed what was being said about men was true thank you for posting something that made me think.
and before all the men hating trolls post a reply I’m not bothered unless you can come from an unbiased point I know my own mind so don’t need anyone telling me anything another words back it up or just please don’t bother