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AIBU?

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Should I say something?

82 replies

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 15:24

I'm having a bit of a dilemma, so thought some outside perspectives might be helpful.

I've got a friend, who I've known for a while, but generally keep a bit at arms length for various reasons - most of all because he seems to have very narcissistic tendencies. He's been seeing his current girlfriend for almost a year and, from what I can tell, it's a very up and down relationship. The main issue is that he's constantly slagging her off - bitchy about her past relationships, friends, the way she acts when she's had a drink, doesn't seem to trust her (he goes through her phone regularly, although I don't think she knows) and is incredibly dismissive of her opinions or when she defends herself. The thing is, he says all this to me, but doesn't say it in that way to her. It's more that he'll say something like "it just hurts that you had these past experiences, but I don't want you to feel guilty", but then calls her a slag to me. I call him out on it constantly, particularly if I see him face to face on occasion, but he says it's all on her. I've nearly ended our friendship over it, but I feel like I kind of need to fight her corner a bit. He's been no angel himself, so it's very hypocritical - and he's not told her anything about his history as "she doesn't need to know".

Anyway, he's told me he's planning to propose, and that she should feel honoured that he's giving her this opportunity!!! I suspect it'll be this huge romantic gesture, with no mention of that. And I suspect he's probably ground her down so much that she'll genuinely feel grateful! Otherwise, I can't see how she's stayed in the relationship!

I guess my IABU is, would it be awful of me to try to contact her (we've never met - we live at opposite ends of the country) to warn her, or should I just stay out of it - it's none of my business.

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perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:51

so every evening, you are bombarded with messages from him.

Has your partner not said… ok perhaps time to wrap up this relationship, and don’t restart it again no matter what, oh and don’t tell him when you’re going to the city and available to meet

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 16:52

perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:49

fair enough

then go for it op

we both know you won’t though

after all you’re fascinated by him. And when you do go in to the city… you must tell him if that’s when you get together with him

Wow - you're like a dog with a bone aren't you?

I suspect you're thinking I'm having some kind of affair with him, which is utterly bizarre. But you're entitled to your opinion and we'll leave it there.

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perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:54

I'm finding it a bit bizarre too.

what i find bizarre is an op who say she has a friend who she keeps at arms length for “various reasons” as well as him being a narcissist

op then goes on to reveal he bombards her with messages every evening. “keeping at arm’s length” 🤔

then that she was the one that restarted contact

then that they only get together when she goes to the city, which she must tell him

oh and she “despises” him but she keeps it up because he “fascinates” her

perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:54

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 16:52

Wow - you're like a dog with a bone aren't you?

I suspect you're thinking I'm having some kind of affair with him, which is utterly bizarre. But you're entitled to your opinion and we'll leave it there.

you're thinking I'm having some kind of affair with him,

nope. The opposite. You’re not.

But damn… you want to!!!

Mmhmmn · 07/03/2024 16:55

Maybe the most appropriate thing to do is take the bull by the horns. You could say/text to him “you know this attitude and behaviour you have towards your gf is vile, NOT normal and deeply damaging? Your behaviour indicates some sort of personality disorder, and given that you are obviously not happy in yourself, I urge you to seek out therapy for your demons rather than disingenuously trapping a woman you despise in a relationship/marriage.”

gannett · 07/03/2024 16:56

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 16:50

Thank you. Yes, I'm finding it a bit bizarre too. But there we are.

Yes, I've 100% challenged him, as some of it has been awful.

How has he responded to you fighting her corner? As you say that's your main motivation for not dropping the friendship.

When you say you're thinking of contacting her, are you thinking of sending her screenshots of your conversations with him, the works? Because on the one hand that's probably the only way she'll believe some random woman she's never met over her boyfriend; but on the other forwarding on private conversations is an ethical line I wouldn't be happy crossing.

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 16:57

perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:54

I'm finding it a bit bizarre too.

what i find bizarre is an op who say she has a friend who she keeps at arms length for “various reasons” as well as him being a narcissist

op then goes on to reveal he bombards her with messages every evening. “keeping at arm’s length” 🤔

then that she was the one that restarted contact

then that they only get together when she goes to the city, which she must tell him

oh and she “despises” him but she keeps it up because he “fascinates” her

You really are reading so much into this - which I'm actually finding quite fascinating.

But yes, ending the texting and absolutely no meeting up is definitely what I'll be doing. I've no reason to be back in the city any more anyway, so I wouldn't even bump into him.

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perplexedbutok · 07/03/2024 16:59

But yes, ending the texting and absolutely no meeting up is definitely what I'll be doing. I've no reason to be back in the city any more anyway, so I wouldn't even bump into him.

so 10 mins after started a mumsnet thread…. you decide to cut contact and will no longer tell him (bump in to him… sure) when you’re visiting the city

Ok. Good luck with that OP

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:00

gannett · 07/03/2024 16:56

How has he responded to you fighting her corner? As you say that's your main motivation for not dropping the friendship.

When you say you're thinking of contacting her, are you thinking of sending her screenshots of your conversations with him, the works? Because on the one hand that's probably the only way she'll believe some random woman she's never met over her boyfriend; but on the other forwarding on private conversations is an ethical line I wouldn't be happy crossing.

He's completely dismissed it and tells me over and over that it's all on her. She should feel disgraceful for her sexual history etc. He just won't listen.

And yes, that's a very valid point about sharing messages. He sends me screenshots of their messages, which I'm very uncomfortable with. I'd then be doing the same.

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KreedKafer · 07/03/2024 17:00

Why on earth do you consider this revolting misogynist a friend?

He's a complete cunt. I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss, let alone my friendship.

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:02

KreedKafer · 07/03/2024 17:00

Why on earth do you consider this revolting misogynist a friend?

He's a complete cunt. I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss, let alone my friendship.

I know. He certainly isn't someone I share my own life with. I'm not sure why I've let it go on so long in all honesty.

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ChocolatePodge · 07/03/2024 17:04

I'd want to know, I was very grateful to the work colleague of XH's who sent me evidence of the sleazy messages he'd been sending around all the women at work. Gave me some confidence that it wasn't all in my head after years of being gaslit. She may have niggles but nothing concrete to confirm his real thoughts on matters

PossumintheHouse · 07/03/2024 17:05

He sounds like a total twat and I’d have ended the friendship yesterday. Can’t really fathom why you haven’t told him what a cunt he is already.

In answer to your question, yes I’d send her the screenshots. You have nothing to lose and you’d be doing her a gigantic favour in the long-run. Why does he send you screenshots of their communications? I’d also be sharing those screenshots with her. His respect for her is zero.

gannett · 07/03/2024 17:07

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:00

He's completely dismissed it and tells me over and over that it's all on her. She should feel disgraceful for her sexual history etc. He just won't listen.

And yes, that's a very valid point about sharing messages. He sends me screenshots of their messages, which I'm very uncomfortable with. I'd then be doing the same.

Tbh I'd give it to him both barrels. Full fury, no words minced, tell him how revolting his behaviour is. Properly blow up and let it all out. Then be prepared to let the friendship die.

I doubt you can get through to her; and while you may not get through to him (immediately) it's stuff he needs to hear.

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:07

Mmhmmn · 07/03/2024 16:55

Maybe the most appropriate thing to do is take the bull by the horns. You could say/text to him “you know this attitude and behaviour you have towards your gf is vile, NOT normal and deeply damaging? Your behaviour indicates some sort of personality disorder, and given that you are obviously not happy in yourself, I urge you to seek out therapy for your demons rather than disingenuously trapping a woman you despise in a relationship/marriage.”

Edited

Well it's certainly worth a shot. I've suggested counseling a very long time ago after he had a nasty break up, but he's completely dismissive of any psychological inventions for himself - although he's said to me his gf should have therapy (not sure why though). There's definitely some sort of personality disorder going on.

I do want to sever all ties with him. I've just tried to carry on to try to give him a woman's perspective on things.

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CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:09

ChocolatePodge · 07/03/2024 17:04

I'd want to know, I was very grateful to the work colleague of XH's who sent me evidence of the sleazy messages he'd been sending around all the women at work. Gave me some confidence that it wasn't all in my head after years of being gaslit. She may have niggles but nothing concrete to confirm his real thoughts on matters

Thank you - that's helpful. I'm so sorry you went through that. Hope you're in a much better place now.

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CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:10

gannett · 07/03/2024 17:07

Tbh I'd give it to him both barrels. Full fury, no words minced, tell him how revolting his behaviour is. Properly blow up and let it all out. Then be prepared to let the friendship die.

I doubt you can get through to her; and while you may not get through to him (immediately) it's stuff he needs to hear.

Yes, maybe that's the solution. It'd certainly make me feel better if nothing else!!

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CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:12

PossumintheHouse · 07/03/2024 17:05

He sounds like a total twat and I’d have ended the friendship yesterday. Can’t really fathom why you haven’t told him what a cunt he is already.

In answer to your question, yes I’d send her the screenshots. You have nothing to lose and you’d be doing her a gigantic favour in the long-run. Why does he send you screenshots of their communications? I’d also be sharing those screenshots with her. His respect for her is zero.

Ohh I've told him. It's made me so pissed off with him, it's ridiculous.

I'm not sure why he has - it's always when he's raised 'an issue' with her. Really uncomfortable and incredibly disrespectful.

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emmsee · 07/03/2024 17:12

It would be quite satisfying to message him saying your friendship is at an end because of his vile attitude to his partner and that you've sent screenshots of his messages to her. I still don't know if I would get involved but I think most of us would want to know if our partner was being vile about us.

Mmhmmn · 07/03/2024 17:14

Raised an issue - ie she won’t get inside the tiny box he’s made for her to exist in.

SpringtimeBunny · 07/03/2024 17:14

@ChocolatePodge I'm sorry you went through that.

Yet if the woman who sent you them, had posted on Mumsnet beforehand, she'd have been told in no uncertain terms not to send you anything! And to stay out of it

SpringtimeBunny · 07/03/2024 17:15

@CountryMumof4 Honestly, the only answer to this in my mind, is to o ask yourself if you'd want to know if you were her.
Personally, I'd have to tell her. My conscience would never leave me alone if I didn't.

CountryMumof4 · 07/03/2024 17:18

Mmhmmn · 07/03/2024 17:14

Raised an issue - ie she won’t get inside the tiny box he’s made for her to exist in.

Yes, exactly that! She's dared to push back (good on her!)

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AlexaPlaySomeHappyHardcore · 07/03/2024 17:18

I would absolutely tell her what an abusive cunt her boyfriend is and then I would cut him out of my life and tell him why. She may not believe you, she might choose to remain in this toxic relationship with him even if she does, but while it’s sad, it’s on her.

Mmhmmn · 07/03/2024 17:22

From what I’ve seen on MN, so many women in emotionally abusive relationships would be glad of irrefutable evidence of BF/DH’s true nature 🤷🏻‍♀️

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