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To ask how to get my 10 year olds to talk to strangers

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Spry · 04/03/2024 12:07

At home, my 10 year old daughter doesn’t stop talking. She has a great vocabulary, is very opinionated, excellent at formulating an argument and can be very, very witty. Her twin brother isn’t quite as chatty but nevertheless has plenty to say for himself. In public however, it’s a different story. They both really struggle to have any kind of conversation with adults they don’t know or don’t know well.

For example, I took my son to the GP this morning and he answered her questions with one syllable answers, almost inaudibly, with no eye contact at all.

Over the weekend, my daughter was keen to take advantage of an opportunity to meet a children’s illustrator, whose books she enjoyed. (She had recently won a school competition relating to his work.) I was surprised and pleased she was happy to be introduced to him but she couldn’t say a single word to him. He was very sweet with her, asking her the simplest of questions (what year are you in at school? what was your winning picture like? etc), but she needed me to answer for her.

When I collect the children from playdates, or birthday parties, I still have to prompt them to say thank you and goodbye to their friends’ parents - even though these are adults they know. When they do so, they speak so quietly that often the adults don’t register that my son or daughter is speaking to them.

Both children are very reluctant to join any kind of activities outside school and I suspect that their anxieties about interacting with people they don’t know well is a big factor in this.

I feel that being able to express yourself clearly, being at ease with people you don’t know and observing basic social etiquette are pretty important life skills that we need to support our children in acquiring.

Things I’ve tried are:

Trying to get them to anticipate likely interactions and rehearse their answers (e.g. I talked through with my son this morning the questions the GP was likely to put to him).

Bribery (e.g. in a restaurant, if they want a pudding, they have to ask the waiter for it themselves).

Being strict (e.g. when I collect you from Jenny’s house, I want to hear a nice loud “thank you for having me”).

None of it really works.

My partner (their Dad) is very sympathetic to our children’s difficulties. He remembers feeling acutely self-conscious about speaking to adults when he was a child. He still doesn’t find social interactions easy (particularly greetings or goodbyes) but he can stand up in front of hundreds of people and deliver presentations for work. His instinct is not to push the children too hard to speak to adults as he thinks that could make things worse but building it all up too much. He believes they will just become more capable of doing so as they mature.

I’d be hugely grateful for the advice of anyone who has gone through this themselves. Is there anything that has worked for you and your shy children?

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Paddingtonthebear · 04/03/2024 14:32

Hi OP.

What are they like at school? And any outside activities. Do you have the same feedback from teachers and group leaders?

DGPP · 04/03/2024 14:36

You don’t need to have them assessed, millions of children are like this at this age. They will be fine! Just keep gently encouraging them and applaud them when they do it! Ordering in restaurants is a good practice ground

KreedKafer · 04/03/2024 14:37

What the Op describes is not normal behaviour

It's perfectly normal. Loads of kids are like this.

AristotelianPhysics · 04/03/2024 14:38

You don’t. Respect her boundaries. And please don’t shame her either.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 04/03/2024 14:41

In relation to you feeling the need to answer on their behalf Op, this might help. When I did some training on supporting language development in children (i work with 3 to 5yr olds) someone suggested to wait beyond a socially acceptable silence. Wait until adults get uncomfortable and then some more. That was in relation to asking a closed ended question to a child. But it's a good guidline for any adult interacting with shy children or those who may be ND as they may need longer to assimilate and speak their answer. Maybe tell them you can't answer anymore in certain situations and role play a bit with them. A good opportunity would be ordering food. If you want that ice cream you have to ask for it. Or give your friends or neighbours a heads up that they will answer if they get a bit more time. They might need time to get used to it.

GooseClues · 04/03/2024 14:50

Please don’t just leave it!

For the past 6 months I’ve been on an intensive study course. It’s very mixed ages - from early 20s to late 60s. Unfortunately, I have seen a lot of this behaviour in the mid 20s crowd. It might be modern life but I don’t think you can depend on them growing out of it anymore. It’s also very unpleasant for the people around them. Ok, I understand they might have crippling social anxiety etc., but rude behaviour is still rude behaviour and it’s very tiring when you have to deal with it every day.

VictoriaWreckham · 04/03/2024 15:15

I don’t think there’s any need for people to pathologise this. They just sound very shy. I was exactly like this as a kid - there were a couple of adults that I felt comfortable with, mainly friends’ dads who were larky and funny. But the idea of having to talk to an adult, even the perfectly nice mum who shared the school run with mine every week so I was in her car over about three years, I couldn’t speak to. When my parents had parties or my mum sent me to a shop to buy something, it was torture.

Secondary school sorted me out because I was forced to come out of my shell and I guess because I had a lot more teachers to deal with. So hopefully that will happen OP. My daughter is similar to how I was, although a bit better. She can’t look people in the eye, even some adults she’s known a long time, and I do cringe sometimes because I know it looks rude and also she has friends who are just so chatty to any adult. But I’m also confident she’ll grow out of it too. And she has improved on things like ordering in restaurants because I always say she has to order for herself. Or we were in the theatre at Christmas and I told her to go and find out from the usher what time the show finished - I set little tasks like that but in a very low-key way, and I think it helps.

Frazzledatfifty · 04/03/2024 16:42

You may already be doing this but I think lots of social outings, lunches with friends etc can really help - mixed groups of all ages. Invite other families round, at the table mix everyone up - not kids at one end, adults at the other… sit adults next to kids… everyone chats - your kids will have to join in too… doesn’t have to be for hours - once the meal is finished the kids can get down and go and play whilst the adults linger for longer and have adult chat… I always insisted on a firm handshake or hug whichever was the most appropriate and eye contact when saying hello or goodbye… Practice on the friends, it will then become second nature… they will get there in the end… lots of kids are shy… We did this all through DCs childhood, they and their friends are now young adults at uni and will talk to anyone of any age with confidence and respect.

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 17:03

KreedKafer · 04/03/2024 14:37

What the Op describes is not normal behaviour

It's perfectly normal. Loads of kids are like this.

And more aren’t

It’s maladaptive and not ‘normal’ behaviour

Often passed on from anxious parents

MrsKintner · 04/03/2024 17:13

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 13:51

If this was my DD I’d be raising it with her GP and getting an assessment sorted.

It’s not normal to be this anxious around other adults

It can be one of the main signs of ASD or general anxiety disorder

Why wouldn’t it benefit them? If diagnosed you can then access support for their needs, school as well!

'Getting an assessment sorted' - do you mean joining a 3 year long waiting list for an autism assessment?
Most services are assessment only these days - there's no support forthcoming at the end of it!

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 17:18

MrsKintner · 04/03/2024 17:13

'Getting an assessment sorted' - do you mean joining a 3 year long waiting list for an autism assessment?
Most services are assessment only these days - there's no support forthcoming at the end of it!

If the GP agreed we would go privately if my DD was this anxious around others.

Thankfully where I live there is quite a lot of support once a diagnosis has been made

MrsKintner · 04/03/2024 17:19

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 17:18

If the GP agreed we would go privately if my DD was this anxious around others.

Thankfully where I live there is quite a lot of support once a diagnosis has been made

What kind of support?

Taylormiffed · 04/03/2024 17:22

15yo DD has always been mute with other adults, these days she won't even talk to family. Yes, she's waiting an ASD assessment. It's probably not you, it's them (in a nice way).
Her brother is the total opposite, volunteers, chats to anyone, no problems.

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 17:22

MrsKintner · 04/03/2024 17:19

What kind of support?

Parenting support, classes paid for by the council run by the national association of therapeutic parenting, dedicated educational support within the council if you then want to go down the route of applying yourself for an ECHP (when the time comes) our GP practice also promote a monthly meeting/support group for ASD parents - often held at the local pub Grin

WreckTangled · 04/03/2024 17:27

Have you heard of selective mutism? It’s a much misunderstood anxiety disorder and your dc could have low profile SM from what you’ve said. Even if it wasn’t that, looking up the strategies advised would be helpful I think. Ie being strict or calling them rude is the worst thing. As is answering for them. My ds has this and it’s completely different to being ‘shy’ and certainly not rude. It’s an anxiety disorder where they have a phobia of speaking in specific situations. Might be worth looking into. Doesn’t mean they have ASC either (my ds doesn’t) but is common among children who do.

If you required support it’s usually SALT but only some areas are commissioned to support otherwise you have to go private 🙄

twoboyssolucky · 04/03/2024 17:27

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 14:13

Who said anything about medication?

What the Op describes is not normal behaviour

Course it’s normal in a ten year old! My ten year old is exact the same as are a few of their friends.

I hate this drive to pathologise every quirk in children.

OP my ten year old is exactly the same. I’m not worried. I know with lots of gentle encouragement and time they will all get ‘there’ in the end. Remember kids prefrontal cortex aren’t fully developed until age 25/26 so they’ve got a long way to go to develop their adult skills.

Dutchairfryer · 04/03/2024 19:21

twoboyssolucky · 04/03/2024 17:27

Course it’s normal in a ten year old! My ten year old is exact the same as are a few of their friends.

I hate this drive to pathologise every quirk in children.

OP my ten year old is exactly the same. I’m not worried. I know with lots of gentle encouragement and time they will all get ‘there’ in the end. Remember kids prefrontal cortex aren’t fully developed until age 25/26 so they’ve got a long way to go to develop their adult skills.

It’s hardly a ‘quirk’ it’s a limitation

GirlMum40 · 04/03/2024 19:36

Been through similar with one of my children but slightly more extreme.

I too felt that by getting her diagnosed with something would just make it in to a big deal.

We did end up getting some private therapy for anxiety (for other reasons as well as not taking to adults). The therapists advice was not NOT put any pressure on them or expect them to speak.

This went against everything I thought and believed (I was always bribing, cajoling, telling her off for being rude...etc..etc)

Well lo and behold after a while of no pressure whatsoever, she will now answer adults and can order her own food, say please and thankyou etc.

It's also a LOT easier with adults who she has not met before (and who don't think of her as the shy kid)

She will never be a confident chatterbox but everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. It's not the end of the world. Being shy can be limiting in some respects, but if "non shy" people were a little more understanding and accepting (than some of those who have replied to this thread for example) it would not be such a big deal!!

I am always very understanding when a child is shy and finds it hard to answer and would NEVER assume they were being rude!

User373433 · 04/03/2024 19:46

It sounds severe enough to be selective mutism? It is hereditary, and a key feature is people with selective mutism are often able to give speeches or say lines on stage much more easily than small talk.

Or it could be they haven't had much interaction with adults where the adult doesn't have an authoritative role. Do you have friends round? Visit adult friends with them? Go to parties of mixed ages? Spend time with adult relatives? Did they have play dates with you when younger, or go to toddler groups where parents and carers were interacting casually with them?

glittercunt · 04/03/2024 19:55

CampsieGlamper · 04/03/2024 13:54

I grew up in the "does he take sugar" era and much as I appreciate that was directed towards interactions with disabled people I'm my current job running a GP practice I am astonished when hovering reception the number of patients both with disabled people and children that the parent speaks for the person. We encourage the staff to direct their conversations appropriately to the person - disabled or child. Obviously a very young child is not able to articulate as well as an older one but sometimes comfort zones should be gently challenged.

I'm a disabled person and am also autistic. I stopped being able to speak for myself many years ago and now rely on my partner. Its sort of the opposite problem almost. I'm partially deaf which doesn't help.

OP it sounds like selective mutism, which can stem from anxiety disorders or neurodivergence.

They will both likely get better at communicating with strangers as they grow, but my youngest, despite being a total chatterbox, still experiences selective mutism as a teenager, she suffers with anxiety disorder alongside her autism.

Both my children have struggled with it at times, we've persevered and I learnt eventually to stop forcing them, I give them opportunities to answer themselves, and reassure them with physical touches (for the younger) and verbal encouragement for the elder.

It's a hard one to support when I don't have a method to sort it when I get it.

AlisonDonut · 04/03/2024 21:10

OP it sounds like selective mutism, which can stem from anxiety disorders or neurodivergence.

Selective mutism is a really serious condition, it isn't the same as being a bit shy.

You guys need to STOP PATHOLOGISING COMPLETELY NORMAL STUFF.

Spry · 05/03/2024 11:24

Thank you very much indeed to everyone who has replied to my query. These different perspectives and experiences are invaluable.

I feel the next step is for me to do some serious research into Selective Mutism. Even if we don't go down the route of seeking a formal diagnosis, I think learning about effective and kind strategies to manage our children's difficulties may be helpful.

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Dutchairfryer · 05/03/2024 11:45

AlisonDonut · 04/03/2024 21:10

OP it sounds like selective mutism, which can stem from anxiety disorders or neurodivergence.

Selective mutism is a really serious condition, it isn't the same as being a bit shy.

You guys need to STOP PATHOLOGISING COMPLETELY NORMAL STUFF.

This isn’t completely normal stuff

Fernsfernsferns · 05/03/2024 12:10

Dutchairfryer · 05/03/2024 11:45

This isn’t completely normal stuff

Well it varies from child to child.

for some it’s a symptom of some ND traits

for some it’s learned anxiety

and any of that IS on the spectrum of normal.

but both will be made worse by cajoling, shaming and pressure.

id put ‘if you don’t order the ice cream you can’t have it’ in the camp of pressure / punishment

as it’s unnecessary. It’s the difference between natural and unnatural consequences

refusing to order an ice cream is a punishment

whereas out on a school trip where they either order or don’t have one is natural consequences

our younger one who is introverted and had some speech delay is definitely in the ‘needs more time’ camp.

we had a SALT for a while when he was 1-2 and she showed us how to play games which got him interested and then waited (yes long last when it felt comfortable) for him to eg say the last word of a rhyme

it’s still true for him that he needs time and part of the support we give him is remembering ourselves not to answer for him or talk over him, and asking family members to remember that too.

the older one I support her to eg order and ice cream. But I try to make it interactive so when we are being served I’ll say ‘please can we have two scoops of….’ And then turn to her to remind me of the flavours.

she answers me but where possible I aim to make it feel like she’s telling the server direct to make a bridge to her having those conversations

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