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48 hour exclusion rule

88 replies

Samsond · 02/03/2024 11:01

Ok I know IANBU here but I want to moan anyway.
WHY? Do some parents think the 48 hour isolation rule for D & V doesn't apply to them / their kids??
A child threw up in my DCs class yesterday. Whilst running to the door so managed to pass quite a few pupils close by whilst actually vomiting. (Poor kid)
She then told the teacher she'd been sick the day before and in the night but her parents thought she was feeling better so sent her in.
She has now directly exposed about a third of the class to her gastro bug as well as humiliated herself. I have emetophobia which was caused by throwing up on front of the class when I was 11 so I really feel for this poor girl and am very anxiously monitoring my DC for signs of nausea now.
Why are some people so fucking selfish???

OP posts:
Soreteatowel · 02/03/2024 16:27

LolaSmiles · 02/03/2024 16:18

People are listening.
They're just pointing out that there's a lot of families who need to work and aren't in a position to have their children with a revolving door of illnesses because other parents think it's fine to make everyone else's children unwell.

If everyone actually followed the 48 hours, there'd be less illness going round, fewer children would be unwell and everyone would be taking less time off work.

The problem when some people don't do 48 hours is that more children come in unwell, more children get unwell, more parents end up having to take more days off work (which in turn can cause issues in their workplaces that wouldn't be an issue if absence for illness was occasional).

Edited

I know that, and thankfully I've never been in a position where I needed to send a potentially sick child to school, I'm just saying I don't believe that all those judging people who have would do anything different if there was a real risk to their family's livlihood.

RicePuddingWithCinnamon · 02/03/2024 16:31

ShirleyPhallus · 02/03/2024 13:13

Because vomiting isn’t always caused by a bug

and some parents don’t have the luxury of being able not to send your child in for the day of school as they don’t have other childcare and can’t afford not to work

But what about when they spread it to other children and THIER parents can’t afford time off work?

fliptopbin · 02/03/2024 16:32

I guess by "under the weather", people are meaning that their child vomited at teatime, then at 2am, but has now not vomited for 6 hours and says they don't feel like they will be sick again. I can see how, if you are on a zero hours contract you might just chance it.
Also, after Covid, I could see that some people might feel like a mug for following the rules when nobody else does.
This is hypothetical by the way, as luckily I have never been in that situation.

KatieB55 · 02/03/2024 16:35

Ditto impetigo & conjunctivitis. Both require prescription from GP if child under 1 and child has picked up from nursery.

Mama2many73 · 02/03/2024 16:40

Our goddaughter threw up at comp around 11am the other week. Staff told her to 'see how she went' they phoned her mam at 1.15 to see if she could be collected!!
As they left the deputy head said hope yo see you tomorrow!!
Now obviously her mum did not send her in but was phoned by the school to 'explain her absence!! WTAF!! She quoted the County policy at them and I've told her to write to the Govenors! All about attendance figures I believe!

Barleysugar86 · 02/03/2024 16:40

My son has a bad habit of throwing up from coughing. On more than one occasion I have had him sent home having thrown up from coughing and then had to keep home a perfectly fine kid (coughing aside) for two and a half days. So this rule frustrates me although I do understand it.

If it happens at home where the school doesn't see, and no other symptoms beside the cough, I send him in.

DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 02/03/2024 16:48

I kept my eldest off witch chicken pox, then a few weeks later a d&v bug. The school referred me to the attendance team. Both of these illnesses affected quite a few members of the class, and I know of at least 3 other parents who are also being ‘monitored’. My dc is in year 2. He had 100% attendance in Reception and Year 1. This is the first time he’s been poorly during school term.

If parents are spooked by the headlines around fines etc for attendance, I can understand (why at my dc’s school at least), they’re reluctant to keep them home.

AuntMarch · 02/03/2024 16:50

ShirleyPhallus · 02/03/2024 13:13

Because vomiting isn’t always caused by a bug

and some parents don’t have the luxury of being able not to send your child in for the day of school as they don’t have other childcare and can’t afford not to work

Neither can I, but when my child caught something from a child who went in on Monday after being ill all weekend, I had no choice. Selfish cunts.

DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 02/03/2024 16:51

KatieB55 · 02/03/2024 16:35

Ditto impetigo & conjunctivitis. Both require prescription from GP if child under 1 and child has picked up from nursery.

Obviously, they’re at least 4, by my dc’s school policy around conjunctivitis is to stop at the pharmacy on the way to school. As soon as they’ve had one dose of drops, you’re supposed to send them in. It’s madness.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 02/03/2024 16:57

Our secondary doesn't do the 48 hour rule, it's 6 hours clear of vomiting and if you are off its an unauthorised absence for sickness. And kids who don't get 100% attendance miss out on all sorts of benefits.

My eldest was sent home from her secondary (a different one to the school above which my son attends) puking her guts up. She had been fine that morning, got her home about 1pm. By 6pm she was filling her face like she was starving and absolutely fine! I kept her off as her school does have the 48 hour rule but she was well enough to go in..

She had a friend sleep over at ours, who vomited all over my bathroom Sunday morning (missing the toilet totally). I joked when her mum picked her up about getting out of school. Nope, next day she was back at school as her mum was a teacher there and couldn't take time off. It's not hard to imagine other parents in the same position.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 16:58

The issue is workplaces not offering paid time off for sick children. If parents knew they could stay home (and get paid) this would never be an issue in the first place.

MeinKraft · 02/03/2024 17:02

48 hours seems like a long time, especially when quite a lot of instances of vomiting in children are they vomit once or twice and are fine shortly after. I can see why parents might think oh they just ate too much junk food or something and it's not a bug at all.

Theunamedcat · 02/03/2024 17:04

Because following the 48 hour rule my sons absence is unauthorised? It's unfair sick children are being caught up in government policy like thus but there you go

Amaarlia · 02/03/2024 17:06

ShirleyPhallus · 02/03/2024 13:13

Because vomiting isn’t always caused by a bug

and some parents don’t have the luxury of being able not to send your child in for the day of school as they don’t have other childcare and can’t afford not to work

And now 30 other families are at a higher risk of needing time off and don't have the luxury of being able to keep their ill child at home!

DappledThings · 02/03/2024 17:08

The very few times mine have been sick it's been once and then fine. I have followed the rule but it's meant 2 days at home with children completely well and bouncing off the walls. So yes I'll continue to follow the rule if they are ever sick again but I can understand why people don't.

sleepyscientist · 02/03/2024 17:09

@Amaarlia so they are all in the same position ie send them in as soon as the vomiting stops. Even noro you are immune for atleast a few weeks so it will be through the class in days everyone only misses a few hours of school

Malarandras · 02/03/2024 17:12

Ok but not all vomiting is due to contagious reasons. And even if it is, it’s perfectly possibly to feel fine in the morning and for symptoms to start later in the day. Maybe cut people some slack?

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 02/03/2024 17:20

Malarandras · 02/03/2024 17:12

Ok but not all vomiting is due to contagious reasons. And even if it is, it’s perfectly possibly to feel fine in the morning and for symptoms to start later in the day. Maybe cut people some slack?

That's true. Girls can vomit due to period pains. I myself have a medical condition that can make me vomit (and I do at least once a month) and obviously I don't stay off work for it.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 17:23

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 02/03/2024 17:20

That's true. Girls can vomit due to period pains. I myself have a medical condition that can make me vomit (and I do at least once a month) and obviously I don't stay off work for it.

Same here. When I was younger I'd have to stay off school but my GP soon recognised the link and I got extra medication to help. I still take it twenty years later!

iamwhatiam23 · 02/03/2024 17:25

Probably the same adults that go into work acting like a martyr full of colds and flu...causing everyone else to then catch it! Because they are selfish twats!

DrCoconut · 02/03/2024 17:30

@DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby attendance monitoring is verging on harassment now. They turned up on my doorstep on day 3 of DS's absence just after Christmas. He had a chest infection (antibiotics from GP and felt awful). I had phoned each day as requested. He has no history of prolonged absence or lateness for the last few years now and not since starting secondary school (was very chesty and prone to hospital admissions when he was younger). So there's no wonder people feel pressured into sending children in. The ridiculous 100% attendance awards don't help as they further stigmatise sickness absence. We need to return to a sane culture where staying at home to rest if you are genuinely unwell is ok and appropriate provisions made for parents to provide care for children. I am fortunate to have a very supportive employer, I know many people don't and then probably get DWP on their case for not having earned enough too if they are on universal credit.

daffodilandtulip · 02/03/2024 17:32

Because Ofsted and the Department for Education care more about attendance rates than children. Have you seen their latest promotions...

CremeEggThief · 02/03/2024 17:34

It's not a rule it's a guideline and lots of people can't afford to lose any pay.
It's a luxury if you are able to do the safest thing and keep your kids home in this situation.

IsthisthereallifeIsthisjustfantasy · 02/03/2024 17:58

HoHoGo · 02/03/2024 13:24

@Soreteatowel but that also applies to the other 10 or so families who likely now have to take a couple of days off work. Who's to say they're not in the same situation?

I think a lot of people are just selfish. They don't care about other families.

screendown · 02/03/2024 18:02

sleepyscientist · 02/03/2024 13:15

Maybe her parents couldn't get it off or though she was better. What about respiratory bugs, everyone in this house has cold should DH stay home and make work cover his shift just in case he's sick or sneezes on someone?

Not the same.

Op I can't believe people are disagreeing with you