Teacher arrested for attempted murder

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This week a teacher at my DD’s secondary school was arrested for attempted murder. He stabbed a woman in the head and neck in broad daylight, and I believe he was only unsuccessful in killing her because other people intervened. She is in a critical condition in hospital, so he could be looking at a murder charge. This has all been in the news, including the BBC.

This man was teaching my own child until very recently. She was given an after school detention by him for being very slightly late to his lesson, and the detention was just him and her sat in a room. That sends shivers down my spine now. I can’t get the whole thing out of my head.

This must be so disturbing for all the kids at the school. I feel that the school are potentially going to struggle more with behaviour control from now on - this man was employed as one of their role models so I can’t help but feel they’ve lost the moral high ground. Not to mention the effect on those who are in their exam years and are now minus a subject teacher.

How the fuck does someone like that become a teacher? I must say in the last 9 years since my DC started secondary, I’ve come across a few - all of them male - teachers who have got my back up and seem to be definite ‘power tripping know it all’ types, and not particularly bright to boot. There’s another male teacher in another local school who was in the news, having to pay £200,000 damages to his neighbour after a childish bullying campaign which went on for years.

Is this the best we can do? I get teaching isn’t the most attractive profession, but it actually terrifies me that these people are supposed to be guiding and leading our children, sometimes on a one to one basis. My worry is that with the current shortage of teachers, and desperation to fill vacancies, the standards are going to sink even lower.

This isn’t a general teacher bashing thread, there are many truly wonderful ones out there, and I know it’s an incredibly difficult job. Just feeling very shaken by what has happened this week. My DD really didn’t like this man and I assumed it was her being a stroppy teen, now I feel awful for not taking her seriously.

Yep, Ditto Shipman and Letby.

That’s a bold statement.Can you elaborate with examples

Honest question, did I miss the doctors and nurses joking about Shipman and Letby's tendencies before their crimes were revealed?

Given that Couzens nn amongst colleagues was the rapist that suggests they had concerns that were minimised

I don't know about Shipman, but many of Lucy Letby's colleagues raised concerns about her and were shut down - and even forced to apologise for it.

No, but colleagues raised the alarm about Letby and it was found that their concerns were ignored.

Until we know this happened - or happens routinely - in this and other schools the cases aren't comparable.

Yes, doctor forced to participate in mediation and apologise to Letby after he raised concerns. Other concerns raised not investigated in timely mannner or minimised

God you're right, I'd forgotten that disturbing fact.

I've never held teachers in high regard they are babysitting our children.

It’s quite simple. Low pay and poor conditions won’t attract the best people. Make teaching something the best graduates aspire to.

I don’t see this as a ‘teacher who tried to kill a woman’. I see it as ‘yet another violent man who tried to kill a woman and who happens to be a teacher’.

There are violent men in our world. And some of them will be employed in schools and hospitals and many other jobs.

Most kids will treat this as dramatic gossip. Some will be upset and I imagine a lot of parents and fellow teachers will be disturbed. But having had kids go through secondary school, I doubt this will have any significant effect on behaviour. Stuff like a mobile phone ban or change to the length of breaks would cause much more rebellion.

Sure - all these in the first 2 pages of the thread:

I find someone who's committed a domestic murder/attempted murder a lot less of a concern then the amount of paedophiles that work in schools up and down the country.

Teachers fight, do drugs etc OP it's just a job to many of them they're only human.

My husband's old teacher was convicted of murder or manslaughter and my husband said it was very sad as he'd obviously gone off the rails.

Honestly the kids are probably loving it. We had something like this at my school when I was a teen and it was like the best gossip we’d ever heard.

And the stone cold classic:

Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?

Normalisation of male violence and being performatively chill about a woman who's nearly lost her life in a horrific manner.

Oh and "Can you elaborate with examples?" - the teacher is strong in you

I don’t see this as a ‘teacher who tried to kill a woman’. I see it as ‘yet another violent man who tried to kill a woman and who happens to be a teacher’.

Same here, the fact that he's a teacher is secondary and not really relevant to the crime.

The police don't care it's a racist and misogynistic place to work in.

Hmmm - As a teacher I can imagine the impact your view has on the behaviour and attitudes of your dc

You do know really good university graduates can murder people too?

To be honest, this post strikes me as just a means to make everyone aware that this man taught at your daughter’s school. I can only imagine what your Facebook posts are like!

First of my comment wasn't in the first 2 pages of the thread so your wrong about that also why does myself and others seeing that teachers, doctors, nurses ect are still normal people who are capable of commiting crimes make you think cool girl. Just because I don't hero worship people in certain professions and I I understand their human just like you and I does not mean I'm trying to be one of the cool girls or whatever you meant by that bizarre statement. If you don't understand teachers are humans then your very naive

Maybe HE is best for your children OP?

How would you change the dbs / vetting system to catch a man like this ?
The dbs checking system was bought in after the Soham murders in early 2000's
After Ian Huntley was employed as a caretaker at the girls school despite having been investigated for incidents involving under age girls in his private life in another county.
The system will flag up people who have been charged or investigated or banned from working with children but how do stop someone getting a job if they have never been in trouble before ?
If the investigation into the teacher flags up that he had convictions for violence and they employed him then the school will be in all sorts of trouble but if he has no history of violence on record then how would changing the dbs checking system make any difference? You say the whole system needs to change but what would you propose? Change it to what ?
This man may have been an abuser to a wife / girlfriend in his life away from school but how would a dbs check show this up if he has never come to the attention of the police ?

I pay for their education so they can be in smaller class sizes. I have also homeschooled. The hard work comes from home you know that. When I read stories about a 5 and 10 year old passing their Maths GCSE what does that tell you about the system?

It was my DS's first day there too!

I don't know how he was even in position after the amount of bullying he'd done.

Absolutely sick.

Performatively chill? I think you’re looking to prove a point about so called cool girls . I don’t read those quotes as yea whatevs cool. I read it as yes there is headline violence and some worry that there are paedophile potentially working in schools

the pupils will discuss,gossip this event doesn’t mean they normalise it or think it’s ok. It means it’s a shocking untoward event by an adult they’re told to respect as a role model

And the stone cold classic : Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?
How does that minimise or cool girl male violence? It’s neither stone cold, nor classic, It is not a classic quip by anyone measure

Finally, I’m not a teacher. The presumptive ,is evident in you 😀😀

And hopefully instilling some more positive attitudes in them than they find at home.

I've never held teachers in high regard they are babysitting our children
Not worthy of a reply. Try harder. It’s obvious and lame