School PE lessons, children made to pick teams, disgusting or what

[DistingusedSocialCommentator]

I've just read a thread by an FM here asking if "schools were getting children to choose teams" and FM felt it was "old-fashioned"

Schools bang on about inclusion/fairness/caring/MH well-being, etc etc

FFS (sorry about my language) how the F does a child feel when they are the group of children who are almost the last ones to be picked???

What ruddy clowns at schools still allow this disgusting and ignorant method of choosing teams?? Are you not ruddy aware that this method of choosing teams can and does affect children's MH and can scar them for like

Any teachers here care to comment, or justify this ludicrously pathetic and ancient method of hosing teams??

does it go in your child's school or one you work in? If so, have you pulled up the culprits?

AIBU to believe this method of choosing teams is outdated and harmful to many of our DC?

Tomorrow, I will get on to the papers/radio and tv stations to outlaw this crass method of choosing teams in PE and other settings in schools.

Just wondering, then...
Is it ok to ask children to get into twos? To find a friend to work with? That could happen in any lesson...
If that's ok, is it acceptable to ask children to get into groups of three?
If so, at what number does it become unacceptable?

You are right op and if anybody here had a kid this was happening too they'd agree. But this is mn so expect your usual array of obtuse perspectives.

"They've do it to mobile phones recently"

It gets better.

Please don't address me as friend. I am not your friend.

Are you and others listening to yourselves? This is not just 'not being good at sport but it's ok because I'm fantastic at something else'. It's about being excluded by your peers - maybe it's because you're not good at sports, or maybe it's because you're overweight, or the new kid, or a different race or just unpopular because you're a bit different.

What about the child that's 'not good at everything' because they have a disability, are you happy for them to put on a brave face every PE session while they wait to be picked last every time, and see the annoyance on the faces of the kids who are stuck with them?

Meh. Team sport is about winning. It's quite reasonable to pick the best. And I say this as someone who was never picked, neither were my children. It gives a good come back when people subsequently bitch about the same people being picked for music or drama, which my kids were. It's a good lesson in life that different people have different skills and different abilities. Other were top of the class or good at art etc etc.

Incredible

With respect, do you ever look around you, see and hear whats going on with people's lives - have you never noted discrimination/etc where children and adults dislike the others not because of their ability, but just the way they look, or dress, speak, colour, religion, etc, etc

2 of our children went to karate classes for self-defence and we are intending on sending all of our GC to similar classes/self defence and all get extra education to keep them at or close to the top of their game and we teach them to be fair, be nice as we want them to succced - As children, thye can feel the humility etc but often wont say anyhting.

Its not a "big deal" to everyone, no one is saying that, YABU not to note the fact people do get hurt by this sytem
Incredible, seriously

If I were the PE teacher, then I'd do it myself, and ensure that there was a reasonable split between the teams.

There are few things worse than being picked last every fucking time, twice or three times a week, for years on end, knowing that nobody wants you on their team.

I simply cannot believe that in this day and age, PE teachers still allow this ritual humiliation and bullying of children by their peers.

OP, you've been asked a number of times now.

Please can you say what an 'FM' is?

It's obviously central to your opening post, so why can't you post the words in full for those of us who don't know what it means?

It can't be that much extra effort?

I'd like to know what the humility is that these children are feeling.

As a child who sometimes struggled to make friends, and was often picked last, despite in fact being quite good at (some) sports this wasn't what scarred me. You always had a team.

What scarred me was "now everyone pair up". Horrible. Glad school's over.

I want to know what happened to the poor Irish lad. Sad little fecker…

You make a good point.
I recall the times when I was at the junior school, there were three girls all good friends. The class was told to choose your best friend, and the one that was odd out started crying as she then had no best friend

The method of 1234 1234
12 12 1 12 12 etc is best IMO

Are there no teachers or tA's here? I will report this thread again during one of your many holidays. Just joking, sorry!

Surely the comments here are being disingenuous? Yes, OP's sounding very emotional about this, but there is truth in it.
When children are told to pick who will be in their team, the children who are unpopular for any reason are picked last: those who are shy, unconventional, or just bullied or left out. It's nothing to do with how good at the sport they are.

Even if it were to do with ability, it's not acceptable to put children in that position. Teams should be organised by the teachers.

Just read you post having just posted,
So true hence my previous post

I recal f--ing dancing classes innPE, chose your partner, I felt sick to the stomach and tried to avoid those classes - it was not because i did not lok like the average child, I was in a minority group when the rest of the class where indigenous kids.

Children can be very nasty and the pairing of two was worse come to think about it - but again geting people to pair in numbers is the way forward

It's a bit like complaining about one cut in the 'death by a thousand cuts' imo. Forced schooling (in the sense of forcing them to be in a school environment) is in my opinion, a gross violation of human rights. Which, children should have the same as anyone else. But because we need somewhere to plonk them whilst we work, and kid ourselves that they are learning things they need to survive in the world, we ignore that.

School did me so much harm. So much. Its damaging to so many people. Now I'm not against education, but surely there's an alternative to what is, essentially, child prison.

Schools are not safe. They never have been. Complaining about the sorrow of team picking...that's like complaing about a drop in the ocean.

Then they should work it out that they need to split up for the count off.

The teacher should always pick the groups/teams in all lessons, or just for PE?

You OK @DistingusedSocialCommentator ??? 😐

You disgust me with your sad comments. TBH, in hindsight, you do not disgust me but makes me sad for you to post something like that on a thread like this. I hope you've had a good laugh as this must of been the highlight of your life.

So FM?

Anyone?

Forum member I imagine.

Thanks, I was thinking 'form monitor' but even that didn't really make sense.

You use drama as an example - at your kids' school, were the parts for the school play chosen by the kids themselves? Was everyone forced to stand there while the best performers inevitably chose their friends first then worked their way through the group based on whatever criteria they liked? If not, there's no similarity at all to what the OP is talking about.

Yeah there are definitely other ways. Picking the kids is really horrible if you're the one to always be picked last (as I often was as I was useless at sports)

Yes, you are right and others have picked up on this. Having read those comments about being asked to pick your partner is worse that the team scenarios.

As I said earlier, at work, team days, group sessions, and training days the manager or the person heading the training always split us up by numbers.