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He said 'just leave it' with ds....am I in the wrong?

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userzH · 27/02/2024 21:46

Massive back story but in a nutshell my ex husband is an abusive idiot with narcissistic tendencies.

Since we officially separated 4 months ago, he has done nothing but make life difficult for me and ds who is 5.

He has shown little interest in ds and when he has seen him, he's introduced ds to his new girlfriend straight away and confused ds massively as well as continue to abuse me in anyway possible - lots more I could add but I won't unless asked.

I have filed for divorce. We don't speak unless necessary. I am doing much better now - finally. And living a much calmer life.

I have never felt comfortable sending ds to his dad. Ex has broken the trust massively for me with his actions. He also never FaceTimes ds. Never asks me how he is. Is late with his maintenance (cms are involved) and had cancelled the last 2 visits. He has not seen ds for 4 weeks now and this was only for 2 hours as ex changed the plans.

The arrangement I gave to ex was every other Saturday. Ex could have more time if I saw an improvement and felt like he actually wanted to have ds in his life. Instead ex had gone the opposite and it now feels like he wants nothing to do with ds.

As mentioned, he cancelled the last 2 visits. We have since spoken on the phone about this. Ex blames his mental health for his actions (he always uses his mental health as an excuse for everything) and stated that he didn't know when he could see ds again. In the same call he then said instead of having ds for one full day, he would have ds for 2 nights a week for tea.

I told him I would think about it but my answer is no for the following reasons:

Ds would not be collected until between 5/5.30. He is only 5. He is absolutely terrible at night time and it takes me a good 1.5 hours to get him to sleep each night. Sometimes longer. If ds is out 2 nights a week, it's going to make it harder for me to get him to sleep. He has really bad anxiety and is waiting to be seen by our local children's mental health service. I know that it wouldn't benefit him.

I don't want ex at my house due to the last time he was here (4 months ago) I had to call the police regarding an incident caused by him. I have not seen my ex husband since and my mum has been helping with the handovers. I think I could handle seeing him again however I don't want him at my house under any circumstances. Which means if ds were to go to his dads for tea, that means me driving him to my mums house (15 min drive) and back each night. I have 2 older children too and this just doesn't work for us.

Lastly - we had the arrangement. Every other Saturday was has time. I don't believe his mental state is the reason for not seeing ds. It seems to me like his Friday nights are now for drinking at the pub. Or Saturdays are for being in the pub - or both.

His new girlfriend loves a drink and nightlife. A 5 year old child won't fit into her plans. My ex has apparently moved straight into her home with her children who are older.

So I called ex today (had to speak about other divorce stuff too) to tell him I was sorry but having ds for tea 2 nights a week simply doesn't work for us however he is still welcome to have his Saturday and we can look up at building the nights for tea once I can get ds hopefully sorted and better with his sleep and anxiety.

His reply was 'just leave it, I won't bother having him'.
No concern about ds. Nothing.

So that's it. He's not seeing ds at the present time.

Does anyone think I was being unreasonable to say no to ds going for tea?

As this was a phone call, I sent a follow up email to him explaining that it is his choice to not see ds and he is welcome to come back to me when he's 'in a better place' 🙄 I said we can slowly build the contact up again if he decides he would like to see his son. I just did this to make sure I have prod that I am not stopping contact. I am just stating that his idea of contact does not work for ds or our family.

Thoughts welcome - I just feel I need to stop letting him walk all over us.

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userzH · 27/02/2024 22:08

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 27/02/2024 22:11

Not unreasonable at all, and you did right to follow up with the email.

Stompythedinosaur · 27/02/2024 22:11

What an arsehole.

You aren't unreasonable.

DrunkenElephant · 27/02/2024 22:12

You’ve done the right thing.

Im so sorry for your DS, but if his father can’t make any effort or show consistency for him he’s better off without the instability.

SgtJuneAckland · 27/02/2024 22:14

Sounds like you have been very restrained, I applaud your ability not to tell him to sod off. I can't understand how any parent wouldn't bend over backwards to see their child. I also have a 5 year old, he is in bed asleep by 7pm so wouldn't be going out for dinner/contact at 5:30 on a regular basis. It's not in the best interests of the child, especially given the difficulties your son is experiencing. You've been sensible clarifying in writing and you've left the door open for the more reasonable contact arrangement to resume. Unfortunately I don't think you're doing is likely to have his dad as a reliable part of his life.

AuntMarch · 27/02/2024 22:23

You've done exactly the right thing, especially clarifying in writing.

It is a shame for your son, it certainly hasn't taken your ex long to show where his priorities lie!

userzH · 27/02/2024 22:25

Thank you - I appreciate all the comments and to be honest, I know you are all correct. I am still offering contact after all.

Ds really does miss his dad and I hate thinking that I have played apart in stopping it however his dad really can't bring anything positive into his life. I was hoping he would change but I knew it would never be possible.

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JoanCandy · 27/02/2024 22:31

You are being a great parent, absolutely the right course of action.

userzH · 27/02/2024 22:32

SgtJuneAckland · 27/02/2024 22:14

Sounds like you have been very restrained, I applaud your ability not to tell him to sod off. I can't understand how any parent wouldn't bend over backwards to see their child. I also have a 5 year old, he is in bed asleep by 7pm so wouldn't be going out for dinner/contact at 5:30 on a regular basis. It's not in the best interests of the child, especially given the difficulties your son is experiencing. You've been sensible clarifying in writing and you've left the door open for the more reasonable contact arrangement to resume. Unfortunately I don't think you're doing is likely to have his dad as a reliable part of his life.

Yes exactly.

He's self employed so could easily pick ds up from school to make it easier for ds...but of course he won't do that. Plus school are aware of everything that's happened and as it stands, he isn't allowed to collect him from school anyway.

It just wouldn't help anything in terms of ds or my older dc. I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from as a parent of a 5 year old yourself.

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PattySpringsteen · 27/02/2024 22:36

he is welcome to come back to me when he's 'in a better place' 🙄 I said we can slowly build the contact up again if he decides he would like to see his son. I just did this to make sure I have prod that I am not stopping contact.

Do you really want someone walking in and out of your sons life when it suits him? While I fully appreciate you’re trying to ensure a relationship with your son and his dad you have to ask yourself how many times are you going to allow this man to come and go in his life? Sometimes you have to take into account the damage this may cause to your sons mental health. I wouldn’t be chasing for contact in future and if he asks tell him to go to court to have it ordered. As you rightly say, your son needs routine. You’ve done nothing wrong.

RafaistheKingofClay · 27/02/2024 22:37

Your responsibility is to make DS available which you have done. If he can’t be arsed to turn up that’s his issue. I doubt he’ll be any more arsed when it’s two nights midweek. There’ll just be another excuse.

userzH · 27/02/2024 22:45

PattySpringsteen · 27/02/2024 22:36

he is welcome to come back to me when he's 'in a better place' 🙄 I said we can slowly build the contact up again if he decides he would like to see his son. I just did this to make sure I have prod that I am not stopping contact.

Do you really want someone walking in and out of your sons life when it suits him? While I fully appreciate you’re trying to ensure a relationship with your son and his dad you have to ask yourself how many times are you going to allow this man to come and go in his life? Sometimes you have to take into account the damage this may cause to your sons mental health. I wouldn’t be chasing for contact in future and if he asks tell him to go to court to have it ordered. As you rightly say, your son needs routine. You’ve done nothing wrong.

Thank you - I can see your point.

However I know my ex husband. I know how he works. He plays the victim constantly. What I refuse to do is do or say anything that makes me just as bad as him. I won't give him anything that he can use against me or my son so everything I say to him is well thought out - sort of kind but to the point and firm - putting my boundaries in place.

Ex is not used to me saying no to him. Ever. Even though my message to him has left him an open door, I very much doubt we will hear from him anytime soon as he will be sulking. And sulking even more than he's not got the reaction from me he wanted - which is anger.

If he does come back, I already have a plan in place which will be he has to see ds on my terms. My terms are what is best for ds. He won't like his either.

At that point I would tell him that we need to get a court order in place if he wants any further contact. Which again - zero chance of him doing.

Ds is my absolute priority. I won't let him mess ds up. In a twisted way, I'm glad ex has said he won't bother - that means the ball is in my court if he does come crawling back. I won't let him back in easy, trust me. It would have to be earnt.

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cauliflowerqueen · 27/02/2024 22:47

YANBU. His son is obviously not his priority, at the moment, or he'd make the previous arrangement work and do everything possible to stay in his son's life. His flippant response says it all. It's sad for your son, but it's not your fault.

userzH · 27/02/2024 23:03

cauliflowerqueen · 27/02/2024 22:47

YANBU. His son is obviously not his priority, at the moment, or he'd make the previous arrangement work and do everything possible to stay in his son's life. His flippant response says it all. It's sad for your son, but it's not your fault.

I'm so sad for my son. He just wants his dad. However more than that, he wants his mummy and daddy back. He frequently talks about things we did in the past and asks to do it again - trios to theme parks etc we used to do.

My aim is for my son to not turn out like his dad.

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