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AIBU?

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Total shitshow - is it me, or him?

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PollyfillaPrincess · 26/02/2024 14:16

Dear Mumsnet,

I think this is fairly long, but I've tried to make it as succinct as possible!

My son's father (I will call him Jack) and I split up when our son was 1 due to financial stress and the vastly unequal amount of responsibility that fell on my shoulders when it came to our child and the domestic/mental load. There was constant escalating arguments because of these issues, to the point of things getting thrown and, worse, some actual physical fighting (pushing and shoving, rather than punching and kicking, but still).

We took some time apart (at my insistence), and looking back I think we needed much longer, but around 15 months after the split we decided to try and work on fixing the family. We promised each other we would have couples therapy and individual therapy. This was at the start of November. I started therapy a few weeks later at the end of November, and Jack started his own therapy in January.

Unfortunately, very quickly after getting back together, I got pregnant. I immediately decided to have a termination, as everything was too unstable and I didn't want our son to be disrupted any further. My landlord had sold the flat I was living in and, as rent had gone up by atleast £200 in my area, I was struggling to find anywhere appropriate and within budget for me and my son to move into. Jack had suggested we pool resources and find somewhere together. We discussed whether it would work and how it would work, but he was very eager to start living together again and didn't seem to care much about the details. I wasn't so sure, but felt it would make a lot of sense practically as we'd be able to have more space for our son with a pooled income, so I was open to it.

At the same time, I was preparing for a postgrad interview in January for a course that I had been wanting to apply for for many years, and had put a lot of time and energy into my application. I was so tired from the pregnancy that I could barely get the energy together to prepare for it, and I ended up being very tired and nauseated in the interview.

I was really miserable with the nausea from the pregnancy. I felt it was a constant reminder of how irresponsible we had been, and I half blamed Jack for it. I felt ashamed of us both, and I didn't want him to touch me at all. Almost everything about him began to repulse me, his touch felt like molestation (something I have childhood experience of). It was horrible for us both, to be honest. He was hurt by the way I was rejecting his affection, but I explained to him how I felt, and he said he would try to take it less personally. I still wanted to be around him, I just didn't want any romantic/intimate physical touch. I especially didn't want to kiss him, at all. He started to demand that I kiss him goodbye at the very least, and I reluctantly would sometimes, but it felt very forced.

I had the termination mid January, the nausea instantly subsided, the relationship returned to normal and the affection resumed. Sadly, this lasted only two weeks...

Due to the strain the termination (and how it affected me) put on the relationship, it came out that Jack had impulsively spent a lot of money (almost 2k) in less than a month. He gets student finance as he is a mature student, and he received an installment at the start of January. He lives with family, so no rent or bills to pay. He isn't liable to pay any child maintenance while he's a student, either. So his entire student loan is his to play with. He told me when he received his loan that he had made a decent monthly budget, and had given himself a generous rainy day pot.

When he finally revealed he had not stuck to his budget at all and had spent almost all of it, I asked what he had actually spent it on. He told me about some (reasonable) large purchases, and he had helped with a few small food shops for us and took us out for two meals, but after that he said the rest (around £1k) just went on take aways, taxis and cannabis for himself. He had £250 left to last him the next 2 months.

I felt really let down and very disappointed with him. After that, every little quibble escalated into a huge argument, and they became frequent. I withdrew from him again, as I felt he had purposefully put the entire stress of being a responsible parent on me through his selfishness. I started to feel the same way I felt about him when we first split up; like every fibre of my being needed to get me and our son far, far away from him. He had apologised and said from now on he would put all of his student finance in my account, but that dynamic worried me as I could see him not being happy with it once he realised he wouldn't be able to spend impulsively when he was stressed. That impulsive behaviour has to go somewhere, and I knew I would be resentful about having to keep an eye on what he would do instead. I didn't agree to it.

Again, Jack felt really hurt by my withdrawal from him and rejection of his affection. I was too stressed, too busy, and deep down just very unattracted to his immaturity.

He says that I'm making him feel really bad about himself, and that I'm acting like I "don't give a fuck about him". I've tried to explain that I do, I'm just really disappointed in him at the minute and stressed about finding somewhere to live and how I'm going to afford it on my own. He insists that I'm just as much the problem in the relationship by rejecting him now, and said that I've disappointed him too (although had very few examples).

So, AIBU? Is it unreasonable to reject physical affection from your partner under any circumstances?

Or YANBU: A partner should accept that the relationship will go cold on the affection front when it is under stress.

OP posts:
Bluevelvetsofa · 26/02/2024 14:22

I thought you were pooling your resources to live together.

What’s happening with the therapy?
What’s happening with the course?

You're not really a partnership are you.

ACynicalDad · 26/02/2024 14:29

Bluevelvetsofa · 26/02/2024 14:22

I thought you were pooling your resources to live together.

What’s happening with the therapy?
What’s happening with the course?

You're not really a partnership are you.

Nailed it

Icedlatteplease · 26/02/2024 14:31

Omg!! This relationship has so many red flags. Have you considered one of the reasons you have gone off him is because he is not a good human being in any way, shape or form? Self preservation shouldn't be underestimated

PollyfillaPrincess · 26/02/2024 14:46

Bluevelvetsofa · 26/02/2024 14:22

I thought you were pooling your resources to live together.

What’s happening with the therapy?
What’s happening with the course?

You're not really a partnership are you.

We were talking about pooling, but only in terms of rent and bills on a new property. He frivolously spent what he had to contribute.

Honestly, I felt too busy with the interview, termination and all the house viewings and so on to look for a couples therapist. I asked him to do it, but he didn't. We are still accessing individual therapy.

I don't hear about the course until later this year.

No, but I don't think it's an issue on my side. I do try to support him as much as possible, but I also have to keep my sons life as stable as possible, so I can't blindly go along with everything he wants me to. He doesn't seem to care that his selfishness will affect our son, so I've got to watch out for it.

Although he feels I am treating him unfairly by rejecting him romantically, despite this.

It's fucked, I think I'm just gaslighting myself at this point.

OP posts:
Rangelife · 26/02/2024 14:52

You don't sound like you even like him, let alone love him. You can't have a relationship with anyone you don't respect or like.

Is this relationship making you feel like you aren't acting yourself? You both sound like you have issues with the way you relate to others. he doesn't seem to understand that you can't force affection and you don't seem to understand that if you aren't attracted to someone it's not really going to ever get off the ground? Who is all of this serving? It's not serving you, him or your son by the sound of it so what is the point?

Bluevelvetsofa · 26/02/2024 15:12

You’ve conceived twice and had one child with someone you don’t appear to have much time for, let alone affection.

I think you need to get a job and somewhere to live on your own, since you can’t rely on him for financial or emotional support.

cerisepanther73 · 26/02/2024 15:17

@PollyfillaPrincess

You need to focus on therapy and good quality therapy to address what you experinced as a child,

Octonaut4Life · 26/02/2024 15:19

You're nauseated by him touching you because your subconscious knows what your conscious mind seems to be rejecting... This guy is a walking red flag and you need to get rid.

Aquamarine1029 · 26/02/2024 15:23

Jack is a man you happened to have a baby with, and that's all he should ever be. The two of you don't work together, and it's never going to work. End it permanently before all of this toxicity impacts your child.

LittleGreenDragons · 26/02/2024 15:23

You've said he's useless with money so you will never be financially stable.

You've said he smokes weed so will probably end up an addict, and end up financially unstable.

Not someone you (or anyone) should be with imo, especially with a child to provide for. Forget joint counselling, forget him, enjoy your life.

PollyfillaPrincess · 26/02/2024 15:43

I suppose the issue is that I do like him in many ways, and I don't think he is a terrible person. He's had a shitty childhood, and it seems to have made him inherently selfish. He tries his best not to be, but when he's stressed it all goes out of the window, and then I struggle not to take it personally when he's smoked away money he should be putting towards giving our child a better quality of life.

I do have a job and I have found somewhere to live now, it's just going to be difficult to manage on my own. It's an extra £400 a month.

When he's not being irresponsible and selfish, I do like him, and our son is besotted with him. He's much more settled when he isn't spending days on end away from either of us.

We have had some really nice family times and 'date nights' in. I just can't seem to forgive his financial irresponsiblity when I really needed him to step up.

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DoYouWantToStartACultWithMe · 26/02/2024 15:53

I didn't even read all of that to know that it's an unsalvageable shit show.

It's a mess that can't be undone I think. Just separate and get it over with, with the least amount of trauma involved.

LittleGreenDragons · 26/02/2024 17:09

I suppose the issue is that I do like him in many ways, and I don't think he is a terrible person
It's fine to like someone - as a friend. It's not fine to impose someone who won't grow up and behave as a fully functioning adult on your child. Someone who won't provide for them, someone who thinks it's okay to spend money on drugs instead of food or rent. To put it bluntly, if you stay and live with this man you are also abusing your child by not protecting him. Social Services could get involved if a neighbour calls them regarding the drugs. So tell me honestly - is this person worth it? Are you willing to accept the title of being an abusive person yourself because "you like him"? And yes, I am being harsh.

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