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Police Sharing Images of 3 Murder Victims

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Lighteningstrikes · 19/02/2024 19:40

This country is going to the dogs and words fail me.

The depraved sickos in the police-force that shared horrific graphic WhatsApp images of the 3 knifed murder victims in Nottingham - one only gets a talking to and one only gets a final warning!!

YANBU - they should be sacked and charged.

YABU - they should remain in the police-force on full pay/pension

OP posts:
Factsareimportantplease · 24/04/2024 09:24

I'm not the op.

It appears the police in the area really need reminding of their duties by their chief constable.

"An investigation it carried out found that 11 members of staff had viewed material relating to the case who did not have a legitimate reason to do so."

NotForMeTY · 24/04/2024 09:28

peakygold · 24/04/2024 08:37

Police officers have to witness every kind of depravity without so much as a counselling session. And you expect them to behave with humanity? You have no idea. Thank god for them.

Yes! Of course they are expected to ‘behave with humanity’ - In fact due to the nature of the work I expect them to have more humanity, not less!! What kind of person thinks this?! ‘Dark humour’ (which I’m also dubious about as an excuse) is one thing, this is on another scale entirely! I’m genuinely speechless, what am I even reading!

Factsareimportantplease · 24/04/2024 09:34

Resilience · 24/04/2024 08:51

It really does beggar belief.

WhatsApp groups have been an issue for some time. In my old force it has been absolutely explicitly stated that they must not be used for official police information and that social use can also lead to dismissal if behaviour on the group falls below the standards of professional behaviour and could bring the force into disrepute. As a result, what was commonplace has now largely died out. Most officers still have a group chat for their team but it tends to be limited to perfunctory arrangements.

I'd be surprised if it was much different on other forces. Anyone who posts stuff like this is therefore stupid as well as careless and unthinkingly callous, which calls into question their suitability for the role in itself.

I'm so sorry for the families.

There is a question to be answered about how police and civilian staff (who are subject to different regulations) decompress after dealing with compounded trauma. The removal of police canteens from most premises, the culture of 90% single crewing and being out of the station al the time have all removed many of the opportunities for cops to talk to each other. Social media has filled that gap just as it has in other areas of society. We need to think about how we provide them with the ability to offload in healthy ways instead of these deeply damaging ways. However, that's not an excuse - this still shouldn't have happened. I've seen some horrendous things in my time and never done similar.

I agree with everything you say here.

Hateam · 24/04/2024 09:36

peakygold · 24/04/2024 08:37

Police officers have to witness every kind of depravity without so much as a counselling session. And you expect them to behave with humanity? You have no idea. Thank god for them.

I accept a lot of what you have said there. They have to face the worst sights and and get through the day.

However, there is a standard below which they must not drop. If they cannot function above that standard, they are in the wrong job.

I support the police and an grateful for them. These officers however are in the wrong job.

Also, and what stuns me, is the stupidity of people putting stuff like this on SM.

Heartoverhead1 · 24/04/2024 09:52

peakygold · 24/04/2024 08:37

Police officers have to witness every kind of depravity without so much as a counselling session. And you expect them to behave with humanity? You have no idea. Thank god for them.

No way on this earth you'd be posting that bullshit if your child was murdered and the details of their horrific death were shared for entertainment by the officers involved in investigating it.

FfsJaney · 24/04/2024 09:57

If it really is the case that the Chief Constables son is in the WhatsApp group (and that he isn't in the police), then it's no wonder she wants to brush things under the carpet. Surely this in itself is a disciplinary offence.

NoTimeToSee · 24/04/2024 10:03

OP - where did you see this reported? BBC report makes no mention of any images being shared and, contrary to what you've said, it says that two officers were actually sacked - one for looking up details of the attacker on official systems, and the other for viewing footage they didn't need to. No suggestion though that any images or footage were passed on to anyone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68886331

Ian Coates, Barnaby Webber and Grace O'Malley-Kumar

Nottingham attacks: Mum’s trauma over police WhatsApp message

Emma Webber urges the author of a graphic message in a police WhatsApp group to contact her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68886331

maudelovesharold · 24/04/2024 10:19

Police officers have to witness every kind of depravity without so much as a counselling session. And you expect them to behave with humanity? You have no idea. Thank god for them.

I’m afraid to say that (not all, but many of) the kind of people who are drawn to work in the emergency services, and, indeed, are successful within them, are not always going to be the most sensitive or empathetic, and probably wouldn’t give a thank you for counselling. Maybe they need to be like that to do the job? Maybe the job does that to them? It should not be beyond them, however, to restrain themselves from these displays of depravity. You can bet that the few we hear about are only the tip of the iceberg, as with most scandals which come to light. The punishments should be much more severe. Those dealing with vulnerable people must be held to the highest standards of behaviour, whether they (or you) like it or not.

Factsareimportantplease · 24/04/2024 10:34

FfsJaney · 24/04/2024 09:57

If it really is the case that the Chief Constables son is in the WhatsApp group (and that he isn't in the police), then it's no wonder she wants to brush things under the carpet. Surely this in itself is a disciplinary offence.

"Emma Webber, Barnaby’s mother, said she had decided to release the details of the messages because the force’s Chief Constable Kate Meynell, whose son was on the WhatsApp group, refused to pass a private letter to its members explaining the impact of their words."

That's in the news today: Middle of the article states above.

Link https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/23/police-officers-stabbed-nottingham-students-butchered/

Police officers said stabbed Nottingham students were ‘proper butchered’

Grieving relatives share details of ‘barbaric’ messages sent by officers in the aftermath of their deaths

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/23/police-officers-stabbed-nottingham-students-butchered

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