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About having second thoughts about Rio?

106 replies

Yasai · 18/02/2024 23:41

hoping to travel long-haul somewhere in July or August.

love the idea of Rio but all the talk of how dangerous it is has made me have doubt. I’d be travelling with DH & DD’s age 5 and 7. Does anyone have any experience?

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spirit20 · 18/02/2024 23:57

I've been to Rio, travelling by myself, and spent a lot of time walking around the city by myself following a walking tour that brought me to lots of areas of the city and not just the touristy ones (but not into any favelas). The only area I had any hassle whatsoever was on the main touristy beach where some guy started hassling me and then shouting at me when I wouldn't engage with him. This was a bit unnerving at the time, but was something that could have happened anywhere, the main part of the city was absolutely fine.

Flossflower · 19/02/2024 00:02

Rio is a lovely place to visit but yes it is very dangerous. We went about 10 years ago. I don’t think it has got any better. I don’t think you would want to spend more than a few days there. We had an arranged driver from the airport and she told my husband to sit beside her on the journey to the hotel so people wouldn’t know we were tourists and get car jacked. It is too dangerous to walk on the beach in the evening. I am not sure it is suitable for children.
We did a few days in Rio, followed by a flight to the Iguassu falls, back to Rio and then a trip to Buzios where the beach was lovely but it felt international, rather than Brazilian.
I do not speak Portuguese and have been to many places but this was the only place I have been to where you can’t understand anyone and no one can understand you. My husband speaks spanish and we had hoped we would be able to use this. Wrong. I know our fault as ignorant Brits.
We do however, love South America.

theduchessofspork · 19/02/2024 00:04

I loved it, but it wouldn’t be my first choice with kids.

Argentina??

backinthebox · 19/02/2024 00:10

I’ve worked in Rio, had fabulous times there. Lots to see and do. However it is dangerous and you do need your wits about you, and to know where you shouldn’t be. One of my colleagues was robbed at gunpoint there not too long ago. I can think of better places to take young children on an exotic holiday.

Yasai · 19/02/2024 00:25

Thanks!

DD’s are geography mad and love the idea of Christ the Redeemer etc which is what made me consider it tbh. We would spend about 5 days here and then head to the falls for a few days and perhaps onto Argentina.

when people say it’s unsafe (forgive me; I’m not ignorant and actually quite well-travelled but never been to SA) what does this look like in practise? Is it unsafe in the streets generally? What about at the landmarks such as Botanic gardens, CtheR, sugarloaf, the steps etc? Is a tour advisable? What about dinner in the evenings?

we would be looking at staying at the fairmont or the copacabana palace. Assume it wouldn’t be recommended to sit on the beach from what people are saying?

I don’t want to be on edge all holiday but I’ve always wanted to visit

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Cramlington567 · 19/02/2024 00:56

It's a shame. Puts me off too. I would love to travel around Africa too but I my idea of travelling is wandering around a city, getting lost and going out to bars in the evening like I do in Europe. Lisbon is pretty cool and has a Christ statue and is hilly. Alfama district is great. I know, it's not Rio though😞

Great to hear your kids are Geography mad, I was too and studied it at University. Used to draw some maps with my kids as a rainy day activity. Geocaching is a good one too. Even the geography local to you can be fascinating.

Tatonka · 19/02/2024 01:37

I've travelled to about 60+ different places, Rio is my first favourite with Turkey (very different place, but both amazing). Out of all the places I've been in the world, Spain was the place where someone tried to pick pocket us. Go and enjoy. It is fantastic!

CottonCandyLand · 19/02/2024 01:46

Christ The Redeemer was something I wanted to see since I was a child (not remotely religious though).
DH and I got the chance nearly 13 years ago. DH had been a few times before for work so was quite familiar. We wore money belts with cash, card and phone in - nothing easy to grab. We were only there two nights, wouldn’t have minded another night/day. I didn’t feel too unsafe, unlike Brasilia which I found very intimidating.

1ittlegreen · 19/02/2024 01:51

Yasai · 19/02/2024 00:25

Thanks!

DD’s are geography mad and love the idea of Christ the Redeemer etc which is what made me consider it tbh. We would spend about 5 days here and then head to the falls for a few days and perhaps onto Argentina.

when people say it’s unsafe (forgive me; I’m not ignorant and actually quite well-travelled but never been to SA) what does this look like in practise? Is it unsafe in the streets generally? What about at the landmarks such as Botanic gardens, CtheR, sugarloaf, the steps etc? Is a tour advisable? What about dinner in the evenings?

we would be looking at staying at the fairmont or the copacabana palace. Assume it wouldn’t be recommended to sit on the beach from what people are saying?

I don’t want to be on edge all holiday but I’ve always wanted to visit

So unsafe in respect of neighbourhoods being so close together you can wander into the wrong part by crossing a street.

We are flying out for Easter with our 11 year old ds. We've been before, just be as sensible as you would be in any foreign city. We've had more trouble in Barcelona than Rio.

We are then travelling to the Isla Grande where there will be little English spoken. Learn some basics in Portuguese and you'll be fine.

It's one of the best cities in the world, Christ the Redeemer is breathtaking, the food is awesome and the people are so kind. Generally.

Heather37231 · 19/02/2024 01:56

I lived in Brazil for several months many years ago and have visited Rio many times. I also have a 7 year old. I’m amazed that your children would enjoy a city break type holiday at those ages. I can’t think of anything worse than dragging my 7 year old round a city. He loves maps and learning capitals, landmarks etc but would hate having to walk around tourist attractions. Kids that age don’t even really appreciate a breathtaking view. I’d save it till they are teenagers. That said, you’re probably less likely to get robbed if you have kids with you. 5 days is too long as well. Beaches are interesting for people watching and drinking a nice fresh coconut but the water is too rough to swim and they feel very open and exposed.

Yasai · 19/02/2024 02:12

Thanks everyone. Lots to think about. It just looks incredible.

Heather37231 we’ve done a mixture of holidays with them but do a lot of cities and they love it. Esp things like open top buses. They particularly liked Singapore last year and still talk about it. Rio strikes me as being v interesting for small kids, the nature, the landscapes, the cable car etc.

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Mercurial123 · 19/02/2024 06:15

My friend visited and their group got mugged in the afternoon in a tourist area. The attackers had knives. Obviously, they were pretty shaken up afterwards. Also, have other friends who have visited with no issues.

GreyhpundGirl · 19/02/2024 06:57

We went over Christmas for just over a week with our 3 year old, husband and I had been before years ago. We stayed near Copacabana and Flamengo and had a brilliant time. It's very family friendly.

As with literally any city in the world, you do your research and what the local knowledge is in terms of danger spots, scams etc. Go, you'll have a brilliant time, it's a great city.

Workworkandmoreworknow · 19/02/2024 07:03

Went 30 years ago. Had a ball. Did not live up to its reputation for danger but I was young and care free. There are probably better places in South America from a children’s point of view and as an aside, there are Jesus /Mary/crosses plonked on random hills throughout South America! You can’t go up the one in Rio but there are some you can.

HappilyContentTheseDays · 19/02/2024 07:31

I've been to Rio during a personal tour of South America. It is dangerous even though I'm used to travelling alone, and in remote/dangerous places. I would be a bit doubtful about taking younger children there for 5 days; having said that, if they're fascinated by such places and mature enough to understand the need to be careful as "a bit of an adventure", it could work.

Tourists are an absolute target, so don't look like one. Also, no watches, no jewellery, no money on show (hidden money belts) keep your camera hidden unless taking photos. No phones on show. Everything will get snatched. The standard thinking is "tourists must be rich to come here" regardless, so they will think nothing of pulling a knife and holding it to the throat to make you hand over anything you have. You are very unlikely to actually get harmed though....although it has been known. A large, safe beach in the daytime would be fine, it's packed with locals, don't be out in the dark ANYWHERE and not even late afternoon or evening on the beach.

Choose a hotel on the beach front, the more expensive the better....they often have lots of things to do within the hotel complex (many have inner gardens and pools) and most have fabulous rooftop views.

As other pp have said, you will get by, but there isn't as much English spoken as you'd expect. Brazilian Portuguese is difficult to understand and having some Spanish won't help you. I found the Brazilians have a slightly contemptuous attitude towards the British, in contrast to Argentinians who (given our past with Argentina!) are generally welcoming towards us.

Use a proper tour guide for everything, it costs but it's safe. They will take you to all the sights....Christ the Redeemer is lovely but packed with tourists trying to stand like the statue 'with a backdrop' for their selfies....that put me off. Lovely views though, the sea is blue, the mountains and islands beautiful. Sugar loaf fine, not so interesting. Cable car rides over the favelas. Botanic gardens not exactly Kew but you can see amazing flowers, parakeets everywhere and the butterflies and insects were amazing too. Lots of leaf cutter ants carrying flower petals to their nests, it was like being in an Attenborough documentary...children would be fascinated.

A proper tour guide will collect you by car from your hotel and take you to further afield places....museums, opera houses, art installations. They will talk about the culture, the people, the history....cars for tourists often have blacked out windows so that the locals can't see who is inside, it's safer. They also have an unnerving way of driving right up the pavement and parking exactly in front of your hotel door so you can get out without walking along the street - also considered safer. I remember having a car to take me to the airport so my bags were in the boot. We stopped at the local market to have a look round (absolutely fascinating, acres of bananas, brazil nuts and fish etc.) but the visit cost me money....when the driver parked the car he had to pay locals to watch over the car so it wouldn't get raided by gangs while we walked round! This is normal wherever you go.
Oh, and the traffic is extraordinary. The famous beach is glorious but there is a road alongside which is full of stop-start fume-chuffing traffic....getting about takes ages because of the traffic.

The most fascinating trip was a local lass who took me into the favelas, they are dreadful, horrifying and utterly fascinating places. Extremely dangerous even with a guide (who has usually grown up in the favelas - ours had had healed gunshot wounds on her shoulders and she was only in her 20s). For a perspective on life, I would describe my visit and what I saw/learned was life-changing but it's not for children, most definitely.

Good luck with your holiday. I would say if you go, it can certainly be done but view it from an experience point of view rather than wanting a relaxing holiday. Go with your eyes open and take the precautions, it would be an experience for your children if you did it wisely.

fedupwithbeinghot · 19/02/2024 07:43

I did Rio with my 13 year old son in 2016. We stayed in a hotel in Copacabana and the hotel organised taxis to go to see the Christ and other landmarks. Once you arrive to the tourist places, it's ok. Just don't wander into unknown areas.

The beach has a lot of police around, as well as hotel guards. Our hotel warned us to carry nothing with us. No phone, jewellery etc. Just money in the inside pocket. We did that and went shopping in Ipanema and Copacabana without any issues. We also went out for dinner every night to restaurants by the beach. Again the police presence is heavy there.

One day, we took the Metro. We are Spanish so providing we keep our mouth shut, we look local. It didn't feel safe at all so we stuck to taxis after that

Outwiththenorm · 19/02/2024 07:45

We stayed with local friends in Ipanema and can’t deny it was quite scary - our taxis were stopped by the police twice and we had to get out while they swabbed the seats, mats etc for drugs. Who knows what would have happened if they’d decided they’d found something. We thought we were just being paranoid but our friends’ friend had been shot in a carjacking the week before we arrived… 😱

It was beautiful and a trip of a lifetime however, but I am relieved I wasn’t there with DC.

Sd352 · 19/02/2024 07:55

We went in December (no kids though) and booked with a travel agency (DM me if you want details) and it was absolutely fantastic. Staying at Copacabana Palace with kids would be a great shout because it’s quite a big hotel, has a private (ish?) beach section and the most stunning pool. Sadly we didn’t stay there!
We spent three days in Rio (could have done longer) and then three in Iguazu Falls which I absolutely LOVED (the Belmond is such a great hotel!). Would be such a great place with kids!

Would love to go back to Brazil and see more of the colonial cities (Salvador) and wildlife (especially the Pantanal).

Lovetotravel123 · 19/02/2024 07:55

My parents took me to Rio when I was 11. Great experience but yes, dangerous. We tagged on Recife and Salvador da Bahia. However, I wouldn’t do it with my child and we are going to Costa Rica instead. That would be great for kids who love geography.

CreativeNameChange · 19/02/2024 07:55

I spent a month or so in Rio several years ago (and stayed in Copacabana). The main safety precautions I was advised to take were 1) conceal your cash, but leave enough in your pocket that you can plausibility claim to a mugger that it's all you left the hotel with. 2) Do not walk around with obvious valuables, e.g. camera, expensive watches, etc. 3) the beaches are largely fine during the day, but do not go to the beaches at night.

In the end, the only "incident" I experienced was a group of kids, age 10-11 ish who tried to chat to/distract our group at the beach (this was during the daytime). While they were doing this, another one of them tried to get to our bags, but was spotted by one of our group.

My overall feeling was that the claims of how dangerous Rio is are somewhat overstated.

nimski · 19/02/2024 08:02

Flossflower · 19/02/2024 00:02

Rio is a lovely place to visit but yes it is very dangerous. We went about 10 years ago. I don’t think it has got any better. I don’t think you would want to spend more than a few days there. We had an arranged driver from the airport and she told my husband to sit beside her on the journey to the hotel so people wouldn’t know we were tourists and get car jacked. It is too dangerous to walk on the beach in the evening. I am not sure it is suitable for children.
We did a few days in Rio, followed by a flight to the Iguassu falls, back to Rio and then a trip to Buzios where the beach was lovely but it felt international, rather than Brazilian.
I do not speak Portuguese and have been to many places but this was the only place I have been to where you can’t understand anyone and no one can understand you. My husband speaks spanish and we had hoped we would be able to use this. Wrong. I know our fault as ignorant Brits.
We do however, love South America.

We did this exact same trip! Stick to the decent tourist/beach areas and we were advised not to wear jewellery (I wore a 'fake' wedding ring and left engagement ring at home) We had no issues but you could hear the gun fire from the favelas from our hotel roof!

nimski · 19/02/2024 08:04

This was before kids though!

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 19/02/2024 08:42

I’m Brazilian but from a small town in a different state, and have lived in the UK for almost 20 years.
Still probably have my wits around me more than others who are not and I speak the language. Spanish is VERY easy for us to understand. Rio is dangerous but they do make sure the tourist areas are safer. Locals are at much more danger of being robbed at gunpoint etc because the fact is that the police collude with the gangs and the police don’t actually want trouble from headlines about tourists, especially if children are involved. Don’t do ‘favela’ tourism, don’t go wandering around at night - I think restaurants by the beach front/tourist areas/near big hotels should be ok to walk to - , have money belts, stay in the tourist areas and you’ll be ok. It’s not Baghdad as someone else seems to have described and we DO NOT have some sort of problem with the British, ffs. We don’t even know who the British are -you’re not even remotely a thing under our radar. and we are positively very okay with foreigners.

do some days there for the touristy bits and then there’s the Iguaçu falls and Pantanal if you want breathtaking nature. These areas are safe.

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 19/02/2024 08:43

Yes no jewellery etc but I’m VERY WHITE - tourist guides by the Christ actually approached me in English - and I had no trouble.

Twilightstarbright · 19/02/2024 08:58

I’m off there next month with my DC the same age as yours! I’m not too worried about it- we live in Hackney so no strangers to crime/danger. Just planning to take the same precautions we do anywhere.

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