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Holiday question

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tighterthancramp · 15/02/2024 18:46

AIBU about the holiday?

Apologies this is long but I want to give context and don’t want to drip feed.
Had a baby in October so I’m on maternity leave.
I’ve saved to be off on maternity leave and will be paying all my own bills.

Partner paid for babies furniture. My mum bought the pram and next to me. His mum bought steriliser and cameras. I bought everything else.

Me and partner have our own houses (mixture of reasons but that’s not the issue). We live in mine except when he has his son when he stays there (two nights per week). He cooks washes etc here but pays nothing towards costs. He can also be out of the house two nights per week on nights. He picks up a bit of overtime (two this week) but isn’t an issue for him because I’m the “childcare” so I feel like I can enable him to work more because I’m default parent. Overtime pay isn’t shared in any way.

I pay for everything for baby bar some milk (partner buys 4 tins and I buy 2). The first month I fed baby myself. The second month we halved the milk, third month he bought 4 I bought 2. I buy all clothes, bottles, medicines (calpol etc) nappies, wipes, toiletries etc.

We half our food shopping (I spend more than if I lived alone because he eats more but that’s life). Last time he done the shop he didn’t ask me if I wanted anything adding. When it was my turn he sent me a list of what he wanted, I didn’t ask him he just sent it. (Sounds petty I know. I’m giving context).

Before we had baby I paid for more. He’d often ask me to pick up an extra shop if he was skint. I’d give him money when he was short. I’d borrow him money. I’d pay for trips and food (he did too but I think I paid more). He once asked me to get an extra shop because he had no money and then insisted we took his son out that weekend to an attraction and he also bought him a toy (just because).

When we lived at his house I paid the gas and electricity. We both earn similar (about 5k dif maybe)

Last week I made a few comments. “Oh baby needs some vests” silence. “Oh I’m gonna put an order in for wipes” silence. “I might order babies passport” (which brings me onto the question) silence. “Baby needs a bigger bath he’s outgrew newborn one” silence. On the four nights he’s not been here this week I’ve sent pic of baby in bath “we need a bigger bath” “lol”. I’ve ordered the bath and it’s here, by the way.

Baby also has DDH so has been in a harness so I had to go out and buy some bigger vests/adapted vests. Now he’s in a different type he needed a bigger sleep bag/tog suit (and a spare!) . He’s not paid for any of it.
He spends a fortune on his other son (I know a 5 year old gets more that’s not the issue) but this month alone he’s done out his bedroom. New bed and bedding (including duvets and pillows) and mattress. Furniture. 40” tv etc. We went out to an attraction on Sunday (cost dad £30 for the two of them plus McDonald’s). I just hung around. Then he went and bought son a £50 toy. A toy yes, £50 maybe not (or am I tight ha)
We took him out again yesterday (wed) and the attraction was £46 for them (me and baby just hung around again). Plus lunch. So I don’t think it’s he doesn’t want to spend just thinks I should buy for baby. He’s also took child on a weekend away last month (think arena tickets and £50 on merchandise), me and baby did go and he paid for the hotel. I said I’d pay for food in the pub but he got up and paid. I said in the car how much was it I’ll send it. He said “£74 no £78” I said oh don’t forget the £4 I’ll send it. He said you don’t have to. But… put the receipt in the top of the changing bag even though he didn’t need to go into it because baby and me were in our own room. (But obv I’d find it there). I sent the money but didn’t mention it.
I do not begrudge his other son and have bought him lots of clothes recently. Dad will also ask me to grab things when I’m in town for him (pjs. Socks. Gloves, specific food etc) but I’ve never asked for it back.

we agreed he would pay me “maintenance” as per the cms calculator. But because I got paid last month I gave him it back. So literally he has paid for nothing bar two lots of milk (second lot hasn’t even arrived yet). I’ve started picking up baby food so I’ve got a supply (because … money) - he knows, hasn’t got any or offered to get any. So literally he hasn’t bought anything.
We were in Morrisons earlier (him buying a load of crap we don’t need imo) and I was worried about the parking (my car) and didn’t want a ticket (because.. no money) and he said why don’t you move it. I said I would. He looked what shopping I had (four baby food, some aloli and rice which we both eat. He didn’t say oh I’ll get that give it here so I had to dash through the til on the way out (it was about £7). We had been for lunch, I had soup, he paid and I paid for the cakes. Think we only went because of the shit show of Valentine’s Day yesterday and he felt bad. I did say I didn’t mind eating at home. He also paid for pizza at the weekend.. he suggested then said I could get it on the way home. I frowned .. so he later ordered and paid. I paid for the food last time we went for lunch.

While we were in the cafe today we seen his friend and partner who had a baby a few weeks before me. I asked when she was going back to work… she said TBC as they have three kids etc and her partner said we’re trying to get 12 months.. but she said it was money…. My DP said “I know it’s expensive isn’t it” 😳 😳

Last year we went on holiday (May) I was saving for maternity so we put it on my credit card on the basis he would pay it back. I paid for the airport parking and spends. We only went because I had a pop because he said he couldn’t afford to go but was going loads of places with friends (two festivals for a start), I said I’d go with family and he said no we will go together (prob thought he would look like a prick!)
We have been planning a family holiday this year and he was saying he was paying. I thought fab, a small perk for me being on maternity (I get 40% tax taken off my 689 smp and I’m not entitled to CB) and paying for everything myself. He said a few times he was paying because I paid last year (but I didn’t. He agreed to pay it back). Anyways the other day he said about the holiday and I said I don’t think I’ll be able to afford it. He said he would pay. I said are you paying or is it instead of paying me back. He said he wouldn’t be able to do both so what would I prefer. I explained I could do with the money back. I’m only getting £400 a month. I have all my bills. My mortgage is going up £150. My car and home insurance is due and gas/elec is costing anywhere between £200 and £300. It’s looking like we won’t be getting our work bonus (which I was sort of banking on)
He asked how much I wanted, I said the cost (£965- for context the holidays I was looking at were £600 each but he wanted this and it was lovely but I didn’t bully him into an expensive hol). He sent me the money this morning with a text “sent £965” no kisses. I didn’t say thanks just “ok I’ll pay it off” and he thumbsed up. He got around 1k overtime this month. He’s later said it’s because he thought I was being off because I didn’t text him night last night (i probably am- I’m pissed off doing more of my share of childcare and the money situation) but He has also dropped into convo today “have you paid your credit card”.

Earlier in the year my dad said he would take us on holiday which id mentioned to DP. So I said to DP are you still going to take “older child” on holiday. he said yes. I said me and baby could maybe go with my parents but I feel cheeky my dad paying (still working at 68) but I could always pay him back and if we didn’t go there me and baby wouldn’t get a holiday. He said what so am I not coming?
In addition to him taking his older son on holiday he is going on two lads holidays (and went to two festivals last year whilst I saved) so I think it’s a piss take for my parents to take him on holiday when he doesn’t want to take me… the person who picks up all the slack with childcare so he can earn more, pays all the bills and costs for his second child and has paid for all kinds over the years.

In all honesty I could probably stretch to the holiday by either reducing my maternity or sticking it on my card but I’m pissed off now 😂

I don’t need any additional advice. LTB comments (although I’d not have to buy anything if I did cos I bought it all and I’m paying everything anyways). I know the situation is a joke but it’s about the holiday I can’t decide.

So my AIbu (if you got this far 😂)

Yes you are being unreasonable - a holiday is a luxury he doesn’t owe you a holiday. You could find a way to go but are cutting your nose off to spite your face. It’s between him and your parents if they want to take him on holiday. Baby is only four months old it’s not like you’ve paid everything for years. Stop being a brat!

No you are not being unreasonable - he is taking the piss. He’s letting you pay for everything for his second child and you’re covering some of his living costs and he won’t pay for your holiday if you make him pay back what he owes. Fuck your parents paying for him when he can afford three holidays for himself but nothing for you.

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Fluffytoebeanz · 15/02/2024 18:50

He's a twat. Yes he should pay for a holiday, but he won't. He's on to a good thing

talksettings1 · 15/02/2024 18:53

I don't know why you're referring to him as your 'partner'. This does not sound like a partnership. I think holiday arrangements are the least of your worries. Bear in mind your total lack of protection if/when you split up and at least try and get your finances managed more fairly.

tighterthancramp · 15/02/2024 19:07

Thanks both wasn't sure id get any response with it being so long.

Test yes partner no. Agreed.

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jubblysquish · 15/02/2024 20:15

So he gave you the CMS payment and you then gave it back to him?

Why? If you are struggling for money, I don't see why you've done that.

tighterthancramp · 15/02/2024 20:21

Because I got my wage last month so technically didn't need it that month. It's only as the months gone on and I've thought about it that Ive realised he lets me pay for everything and not offered to get anything when I've dropped hints. Also didn't want to take the piss if he was taking me on holiday only to discover he won't.

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Poppysmom22 · 15/02/2024 20:27

Why on earth have you had a baby with a financially incontinent man child you either live together and split it or you don’t and he foots equally for your baby forget holidays you can’t afford them you are a single parent

Octavia64 · 15/02/2024 20:30

Clearly this is a complicated situation.

However, he's clearly very mean with money towards you and it looks like this extends to your baby.

Don't lend him any money. You won't (and in fact haven't) got it back.

Stop buying things for his other son. He's making clear where his priorities lie so there's no reason for you to get stuff for him.

Never send any of his contributions back again. When he inevitably doesn't pay for stuff you can write it off against that.

He's running separate finances and you are thinking like a family. You can't make him think like a family but you can run (properly) separate finances.

PumpkinPie2016 · 15/02/2024 20:31

YANBU about the holiday or about the situation generally.

To be honest, I'm not sure this relationship is going to work out. You don't live together and he doesn't appear to contribute to your shared child.

You mention you did live together - why did that change?

Truthfully, I would honestly be reconsidering whether you want to stay in a relationship with him at all.

tighterthancramp · 15/02/2024 20:33

PumpkinPie2016 · 15/02/2024 20:31

YANBU about the holiday or about the situation generally.

To be honest, I'm not sure this relationship is going to work out. You don't live together and he doesn't appear to contribute to your shared child.

You mention you did live together - why did that change?

Truthfully, I would honestly be reconsidering whether you want to stay in a relationship with him at all.

We got together in lockdown. I was renovating and living with family short term and ended up staying at his so I made a contribution. Then I wanted to live in my house and he doesn't want to sell his. I thought he would have but I think he's now digging his heels in.

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tighterthancramp · 15/02/2024 20:34

Octavia64 · 15/02/2024 20:30

Clearly this is a complicated situation.

However, he's clearly very mean with money towards you and it looks like this extends to your baby.

Don't lend him any money. You won't (and in fact haven't) got it back.

Stop buying things for his other son. He's making clear where his priorities lie so there's no reason for you to get stuff for him.

Never send any of his contributions back again. When he inevitably doesn't pay for stuff you can write it off against that.

He's running separate finances and you are thinking like a family. You can't make him think like a family but you can run (properly) separate finances.

I have got it back but he's now revoked his offer of the holiday which I wouldn't have minded if I wasn't paying for everything.

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jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 09:57

@tighterthancramp

I think what you need to do, is go for formal child maintenance through the official way.

Get it into your bank every month and do not return it.

Was baby planned? He just doesn't sound like he is interested at all, in the baby or in you.

He gets all the benefits of being a single man, then presume benefits of having a partner, yet no responsibility for family matters.

You sound like an accomplished person, own house, decent paying job and genuinely you sound very lovely.

NotSorry · 16/02/2024 10:02

You need to stop hinting, he’s not going to offer. As PP said, put in a claim for child maintenance. He’s not a partner in any sense of the word.

jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 10:02

@tighterthancramp
Oh, an in response to your AIBU.

No you are not, if you want him to go on holiday with your family, he pays for himself.
He can afford 3 holidays and if he can't afford a 4th, then tough.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 16/02/2024 10:16

He sent me the money this morning with a text “sent £965” no kisses. I didn’t say thanks just “ok I’ll pay it off” and he thumbsed up

He's pissed off because you've pulled him up on owing you that money when he thought he'd got away with it. I don't know why you gave him the maintenance money back when you're struggling yourself. That money was for the baby he's contributing nothing to.

The more you pull him up on it the more of a prick he's going to be! I can't see how this will work between you unless you sit down and sort it out properly. I doubt he'll agree to do that though as it'll mean him stepping up financially

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 16/02/2024 10:27

Oh for goodness sake !

Why why why on earth would you give him back the maintenance ? that's a green light for him not to bother offering to pay it again.

Sort it out legally asap as he is not going to be around for long.

And that's because you are going to come to your senses and bin him !

OneMoreTime23 · 16/02/2024 10:34

Why would you be paying 40% tax on SMP?

You sound like an independent and capable woman. Give this absolute tosspot up. It’s going to end up there anyway.

tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 10:40

OneMoreTime23 · 16/02/2024 10:34

Why would you be paying 40% tax on SMP?

You sound like an independent and capable woman. Give this absolute tosspot up. It’s going to end up there anyway.

Because I've earned over the threshold this financial year

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tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 10:41

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 16/02/2024 10:27

Oh for goodness sake !

Why why why on earth would you give him back the maintenance ? that's a green light for him not to bother offering to pay it again.

Sort it out legally asap as he is not going to be around for long.

And that's because you are going to come to your senses and bin him !

It is through the cms. I got this months yesterday

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tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 10:47

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 16/02/2024 10:16

He sent me the money this morning with a text “sent £965” no kisses. I didn’t say thanks just “ok I’ll pay it off” and he thumbsed up

He's pissed off because you've pulled him up on owing you that money when he thought he'd got away with it. I don't know why you gave him the maintenance money back when you're struggling yourself. That money was for the baby he's contributing nothing to.

The more you pull him up on it the more of a prick he's going to be! I can't see how this will work between you unless you sit down and sort it out properly. I doubt he'll agree to do that though as it'll mean him stepping up financially

He can act how he wants I've got my money 😂
I wasn't desperate for it. For reference I've said up £12,000 to be off on maternity but with the cost of living it isn't going to go far as I have all my bills and life has shot up too. I also overpaid the gas and electric so I have £1100 credit

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tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 10:49

jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 09:57

@tighterthancramp

I think what you need to do, is go for formal child maintenance through the official way.

Get it into your bank every month and do not return it.

Was baby planned? He just doesn't sound like he is interested at all, in the baby or in you.

He gets all the benefits of being a single man, then presume benefits of having a partner, yet no responsibility for family matters.

You sound like an accomplished person, own house, decent paying job and genuinely you sound very lovely.

It is official.

Baby was planned and he is interested but likes all the nice bits. I just feel like we should be equally exhausted and equally skint

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VickyEadieofThigh · 16/02/2024 10:56

Never, EVER give him the CM back. You might have savings, but they won't last forever and you're actually giving him permission not to pay for the upkeep of his child.

jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 10:58

@tighterthancramp
Yes, you absolutely should both feel equal in that respect.

I think me and my husband are!

But as well as being equally tired, we are also a joint unit.

All wages into our joint account, all bills out of our joint account. Our money and life is shared, we live together and raise our children together.

Your situation is different.

You both live separate lives.

How does he and his ex parent? He seems to see a lot of his son which is great, maybe you can go for a similar set up?

tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 11:19

jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 10:58

@tighterthancramp
Yes, you absolutely should both feel equal in that respect.

I think me and my husband are!

But as well as being equally tired, we are also a joint unit.

All wages into our joint account, all bills out of our joint account. Our money and life is shared, we live together and raise our children together.

Your situation is different.

You both live separate lives.

How does he and his ex parent? He seems to see a lot of his son which is great, maybe you can go for a similar set up?

It's all court ordered. She's is a nightmare, even gets the son to lie about me. I think that's why he over compensates because he's scared to rock the boat. Won't tell him off. Spends a fortune. Part of the reason eh won't move in because ex says older son is anxious.

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tighterthancramp · 16/02/2024 11:20

@jubblysquish also gets son to say baby stinks and he won't sit next to him and stuff. Not just me that catches it, baby too. He's a great kid though to be fair just confused.

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jubblysquish · 16/02/2024 11:56

@tighterthancramp
Maybe he was just as bad as he is with the mother to the other son as he is with you, hence why it's had to go to court.

He's only going over the top with his son financially because it's gone to court, not because he's a decent human being who has chosen to do that.

He could choose to spend equally between both his kids, he just doesn't want to.

Do you know the boys mother?
As if you don't, all you have to go on is what your child's father is telling you.