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teachers don't dislike children

38 replies

incognitothismorning · 15/02/2024 09:28

I just get so bored of hearing or reading this, and think it is so far from reality that I wanted to start a poll on it - this is a poll for teachers. ( of course I know this is MN, and a certain number of posters will come on and pretend to be teachers just to be contrary or to prove a point, - but hopefully if we ignore them we should still be able to discern the basic truth

Imagine planting a thousand sunflower seeds and fertilising and watering them diligently and then transferring them to pots. Some may to better than others, or need different care to others, but at no point are you going to suddenly choose a random individual in the middle of a seed tray and start hating on it.

When I see on posts "the teacher doesn't like my child" or 2 the teacher is picking on them" or whatever, I just think no, the chid is behaving in such a way they are getting automatic consequences they don't like. If they had a virtual teacher, AI, without any feelings at all, they would be getting the same consequences. It is a mirror of themselves.

I like children, and I teach children, and I discipline children. I don't dislike any. But I get parents who think I do. I get some children who get a total bee in their bonnet over my (completely imaginary) antipathy when nothing more is happening than they are getting told off for talking when they are consistently the noisiest and most disruptive person in the room etc. I ha.ve been accused of hating children and picking on them and have had to go and check on the seating plan to check I even have the right child in mind when I am told their name, it is so random

As a teacher, I most have taught over 8 000 students. Genuine dislike? I can think of 3, all in the very early years - after the first 18 months or so I guess I lost the capacity to feel dislike for a child. Irritation and boredom over poor behaviour, yes, but dislike, no - I don't have the head space or the energy! And those 3 did not know I disliked them, in fact one I still see around as an adult and am very fond of her and proud of her now.

I do remember one head of department mentioning she disliked 1 student once, and a friend teacher also mentioned one recently. The HOD was talking about a very distinctively cruel child who she had taken out of lessons consistently over many years, and the friend was talking about teaching children who were involved in a gang murder, ( they were awaiting trial at this point) and said how fond he was of all of them, except one. So in all the thousands and thousands of pupils my friends have had, the only two I have heard friends say they dislike were both showing extreme, consistent and rare sadistic behaviour.

Getting irritated and bored of poor behaviour is not the same as disliking the child doing it

I like all my children, and I care about them. Even the naughty ones. But I do discipline them, and they don't like it, and nor do the parents.

I have an email this morning from a parent complaining I pick on her child and dislike them. Not true, I am fond of their child, and spend a lot of time and planning caring specifically for them. This is quite common in the children teachers are accused of picking on! They are often the ones you are putting extra planning and attention into!

This child was sent out of my last lesson for a dangerous act that could have seriously harmed another child. I don't think it was deliberate, more careless, but he did it less than two seconds after I had told him not to, and it is the second time this year he has been sent out for dangerous behaviour.

YABU - l am a teacher and dislike students

YANBU - I am a teacher and do not dislike any students

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 15/02/2024 10:03

cerisepanther73 · 15/02/2024 10:00

I read a book in my local mind centre

about men who attended boarding schools back in the 70s and 80s who had traumatic experinces of childhood abuse and sexual abuse whilst boarding 🤔 at their schools and still psychologically scarred about their experinces,

I was brought up in children's homes in 70s in England
there was something about this book that reminded me of the so called care system for children...

I could relate too...

The posts attacking the OP by dragging up stuff about boarding schools have been deleted.

Nannyogg134 · 15/02/2024 10:04

I've been a secondary teacher for a long time and students have asked me this before "do you ever teach someone you don't like"?

For me, some students are much more challenging than others, and some are downright rude or even physically abusive towards me. However, I've never felt like or dislike towards them as a person. I might say "oh I love having them in the class" or "I'm dreading teaching 9R2, it looks like X and Y are in today". But I'm still a professional, I'll still go in and give me best to never let them know I felt that way. I saw this video a long time ago and really resonated with me, I've tried to let it guide me ever since:

Every kid needs a champion | Rita Pierson | TED

Rita Pierson, a teacher for 40 years, once heard a colleague say, "They don't pay me to like the kids." Her response: "Kids don't learn from people they don'...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFnMTHhKdkw

WednesburyUnreasonable · 15/02/2024 10:04

Notsoslim · 15/02/2024 09:49

OP a good third of people voting are saying they don’t like some children. So clearly it’s not that rare.

I didn’t need the poll to tell me that though, I was a HLTA and a former ESL instructor and I know some kids do clash with teachers/school staff . To the extent that yes it can be said the teacher (or other staff) dislikes them - and sometimes for good reason.

Many of my close friends and former flatmates are/were teachers and I used to hear their stories.

Teachers are only human, of course there will be instances where they don’t like some children. And sometimes unfortunately they’ll have their own biases and prejudices too.

I have to say it’s a lot less common or at least less blatant than it was when I was at school in the 90s where teachers didn’t even try to hide their dislike of whatever children they didn’t like.

My friend told me about a TA who hated her child who could be very hyper and not the most compliant kid (no SEN though) The TA aggressively put her face in my friends kids face telling her to shush and her son slapped the TA.

Do I believe that the TA (and probably the class teacher to) didn’t like her child after that incident ? I sure do and tbf I probably wouldn’t be too fond of a child who slapped me either!

Edited

My music teacher in the 90s did so many comically mean things to me, she was like a character in a kid’s book - the weirdest was when she wouldn’t let me leave orchestra practice to go to the nurse to get a bee sting removed from the top of my arm, and made me play flute for 30 minutes instead.

I was a really shy and well-behaved kid, but I think something about me made her want to take me down a peg or five.

She was well-known amongst parents for having children she openly disliked - I’m not sure it would be tolerated now!

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 15/02/2024 10:05

This is a no-win thread. Nothing in life is black or white where humans are involved.

Look at the god pedestal the NHS was put years ago, only to come now to : nurses killing premature babies and telling the mother - TRUST ME , I AM A NURSE.
nurses falsifying qualifications, thousands of autistic and mental health kids being detained, starved and sexually abused and people working there telling the same: trust the professionals

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 15/02/2024 10:07

what about the "professionals" in Bradford and police who being very trustworthy , left hundreds of girls being gang raped continuously by British muslim men?

Notsoslim · 15/02/2024 10:08

incognitothismorning · 15/02/2024 09:45

O gosh, this seems to have touched a nerve! I am guessing a lot of posters have it firmly fixed in their mind that their child is being picked on by staff at school and can't see how unlikely this is.

I am not being goady, I am trying to make people understand that this really does not happen, and it is just in the imagination of the child/ parent in more than 99% of the cases.

But you just carry on, I've done what I can to help correct this misconception - if you would rather hold on tight to your very likely wrong belief, then just do so.

I'll go and do something ese with my time

Not in my case. I don’t have children and most of my family or friends kids don’t report being picked on by teachers so I have no bone in this fight.

If anything, I should be biased in favour of teachers.

My stance is mainly based on what I’ve witnessed as an educator. And yes there has been a couple of kids I haven’t liked either. I used to work in PRUs, and with kids in care and kids abroad as a ESL teacher….some kids were racist, violent, disruptive etc but I actually still liked most of them.

There were just those two or three who seemed so spiteful and malicious and I couldn’t take to them. However I hope they didn’t pick up on it. I was actively given thanks by a senior staff in how I’d helped one of the kids (that I didn’t like) during a difficult time and the kid was grateful too. No doubt it did colour some of my decisions in that I may not have went over and above as much for those few kids and I hold my hands to that. But I think overall I treated everyone fairly and well and certainly no-one ever complained about me picking on them.

The teachers who don’t admit to themselves they don’t like some kids are failing to be aware of their bias, and those are the ones who will end up treating children the worst while working themselves into knots to justify every decision.

I would add that some kids can be really cruel or prejudiced teaching staff. There was a kid I worked with in a London PRU who stood at a bus stop and racially abused and threatened a female teacher at her old school. I doubt any teacher in the school liked her much after that.

So I’m not saying some teachers don’t ever have good reason not to dislike kids. The thing is you just have to own it and make sure you stay professional.

ilovesooty · 15/02/2024 10:10

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 15/02/2024 10:07

what about the "professionals" in Bradford and police who being very trustworthy , left hundreds of girls being gang raped continuously by British muslim men?

What's that got to do with this thread?

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 15/02/2024 10:15

Trust me, I am a professional

Notsoslim · 15/02/2024 10:21

I used to work in care and “trust me” kids from all races are abused by men (and women) of all races too and let down by various systems & professional .

Look at the whole foster homes, catholic boarding/convent schools abuse thing that’s been uncovered. Or the football coach abuse scandals.

All horrific. So many people turned a blind eye, in some instances even parents.

Yes professionals do sometimes screw up and on a very large scale and it can be systematic etc and the consequences are awful .

But I don’t know why the only examples of abuse some people leap to nowadays to show why we shouldn’t trust professionals / systems failing are the ones which involve Muslim men.

I mean the NSPCC called this one of the worst cases of abuse. Had this been Muslim men certain corners of the media and public would have highlighted it much more https://news.sky.com/story/amp/seven-members-of-paedophile-gang-guilty-of-running-monstrous-child-sex-abuse-ring-13008082

BobbyBiscuits · 15/02/2024 10:26

It's clear the parent took a dislike to you disciplining their child. Surely this can be common as a teacher? Maybe more so now. When I was young the teacher was always respected to at least an extent by the parents.
I'm not a teacher, but my Mum and nearly all my family are. They all are massively passionate about the students, above all else. They really genuinely care about them all. Some maybe disruptive, some badly behaved, some not as bright, but it's the teacher's job to get the best out of every person in their class. If that means sending someone out for doing something dangerous then so be it. I didn't get on well in education personally but that was more to do with other factors rather than actively bad/ uncaring teachers.

tralalalalalalalal · 15/02/2024 10:57

There are bad apples in every profession.

SmokedPaprikaPuffs · 15/02/2024 11:15

Children know if adults like them or not.

scoobysnaxx · 15/02/2024 13:08

Of course there are teachers who dislike kids.
Some probably hate some teens with a passion and can't wait to see the back of them. And you know what, I don't bloody blame them.

I'm only 33 and I disliked a lot of my peers in secondary school in early 00s. Often rude, entitled, selfish and disrespectful.

I have a step child in secondary school and the stories they come home with are hair raising.

Now it's 100% worse. I wouldn't be a teacher for love nor money.

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