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"Human Remains" isn't specific enough

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Woodenwonder · 14/02/2024 22:02

Last weekend had an impromptu wander around the world museum in Liverpool. (Fantastic and free). Anyway in the Egypt section it states that the next exhibit features human remains or words to that effect. I'm thinking a sarcophagus with a mummy inside. And yes that was there, a couple of examples of wrapped up mummies, tastefully and respectfully displayed. Turn the corner and there are 3+ corpses. Not wrapped up and obviously somewhat dessicated.

I'm not squeamish but I find looking at a collection of led out bodies (albeit 1000s of years old) a bit disrespectful for want of a better word. It made me feel really weird.

Yes these souls are long gone but I was not prepared to see them laid out in that way. I don't think I was even expecting full bodies.

Aibu to think the sign could have been a touch more descriptive before entering the room?

The museum is a fantastic place but I just felt a little rattled.

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Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:22

Noideawwhatsoccuring · 15/02/2024 01:07

But you were fine. It was the unwrapped ones that bothered you.

You saw the sign saying human remains and were fine when you and the assumption they would all be wrapped. You were fine up until you saw the unwrapped ones.

Why would the sign say human remains if there was just wrapped models? It would say depictions of human remains or similar.

The wrappings didn't often survive. And re wrapping can cause damage.

If you found it disrespectful to have the bodies not kept in the exact way they were buried you wouldn't go to an Egyptian exhibit in another country. As I am sure not many Egyptians wanted their remains transporting to the UK to be put on display, with or without wrappings. 😂

If there's an afterlife I am sure these people are more bother their bodies arent in Egypt rather than wether the wrappings are still on them or not. But you were fine with it until you saw them unwrapped.

I can understand someone feeling bodies on display is disrespectful. I don't understand someone thinking its fine as long as some of the wrapping is left on.

I think you've misunderstood my gist but that's ok.

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Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:26

TheChosenTwo · 15/02/2024 01:12

I think I’d be slightly surprised too op, I’d be expecting a small selection of bones or teeth or something like that!
I’d be fascinated in the whole body though; don’t know why but I just would.
However I take human remains to be parts of a human rather than a whole human.
Just the way I’d have read it I guess.

@DyslexicPoster is it a small (and absolutely fantastic) museum in a town beginning with H?

Yes that's what I was thinking too. If you are interested, they are photos online of the mummies in question - search up "What next for human remains collections at the World Museum" ...

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Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:27

IloveAslan · 15/02/2024 01:20

What do you think human remains are?

I think you're being facetious or haven't read the thread.

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mcdonaldschip · 15/02/2024 01:28

I would have guessed it would include whole bodies, but then I have a phobia of dead bodies and avoid anything that could include them.

Lwrenn · 15/02/2024 01:34

@Woodenwonder we go this museum loads and the first time my wee sensitive lad saw them he got very upset at them being displayed.
The other one less so and instead kept doing impressions to freak his brother out 😂

I understand what you mean though, I didn't really expect them to be so... dead bodyish which I know sounds ridiculous. I've had to lay out a few dead folks in my time and even though I'm as comfortable as I'll ever get with death it is quite sad isn't it? Just ancient dead people being all unaware they're an artifact.

(That said, I do still find them interesting 😂)

Happyinarcon · 15/02/2024 01:36

I also had an experience like this except with desiccated body parts, not the whole shebang. I was shock because I had a kid with me. Human remains for me means like a couple of bone fragments and maybe some hair. Im finding even in movies and tv news there’s a lot more images that shock me and seem unnecessary and distasteful.

Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:39

Lwrenn · 15/02/2024 01:34

@Woodenwonder we go this museum loads and the first time my wee sensitive lad saw them he got very upset at them being displayed.
The other one less so and instead kept doing impressions to freak his brother out 😂

I understand what you mean though, I didn't really expect them to be so... dead bodyish which I know sounds ridiculous. I've had to lay out a few dead folks in my time and even though I'm as comfortable as I'll ever get with death it is quite sad isn't it? Just ancient dead people being all unaware they're an artifact.

(That said, I do still find them interesting 😂)

Exactly this!!

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homezookeeper · 15/02/2024 01:42

I am very familiar with the museum.
The Mummies are all to certain extents "wrapped up", yeah you might see some hair sticking out of one, a foot sticking out (read the placards that are tailored to each exhibit). Plus there's a hand on display but the majority are wrapped. What difference does that honestly make when you know that there are several real corpses under the wrapping of the rest also? Human remains means actual human remains. The sign is there so that the squeamish can walk away. They're not all stripped and positioned for show. You're being ridiculous as an adult who read the sign, carried on and still felt triggered. On any given weekend or term time holiday days there's plenty of children viewing the same things you did, accompanied by adults. I've taken my DD and DNs there many a time. What they're displaying IS history. You're being rather silly.

Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:42

Happyinarcon · 15/02/2024 01:36

I also had an experience like this except with desiccated body parts, not the whole shebang. I was shock because I had a kid with me. Human remains for me means like a couple of bone fragments and maybe some hair. Im finding even in movies and tv news there’s a lot more images that shock me and seem unnecessary and distasteful.

Yes , I think that , going back to my original OP - if the sign had said "the next exhibit includes a small number or entire deceased human bodies" I'd have swerved it.

I don't know, looking at other people's loved ones fully on display in their entirety, without their wish or permission felt uncomfortable.

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homezookeeper · 15/02/2024 01:43

ghostyslovesheets · 14/02/2024 22:19

More importantly do they still have the cat mummies?

Yes they do Grin

RobertaFirmino · 15/02/2024 01:45

Given that the Ancient Egyptians were knowledgeable and progressive people, I think the person who once inhabited these remains might be rather proud of their contribution to education and history.

I loved the mummies as a child, I was always pestering Dad to take me to the museum and to his credit, he often did. They really are superb and when someone asks me about the best things to do in Liverpool, I always recommend them.

Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:50

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KnowledgeableMomma · 15/02/2024 01:50

Human remains = dead bodies or parts of dead bodies.

Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:52

KnowledgeableMomma · 15/02/2024 01:50

Human remains = dead bodies or parts of dead bodies.

Thanks, can you get a job as a museum steward 😆

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Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:54

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This does not match your description at all now does it.

"Human Remains" isn't specific enough
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Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:55

Sorry the image is in response to this comment:

I am very familiar with the museum.
The Mummies are all to certain extents "wrapped up", yeah you might see some hair sticking out of one, a foot sticking out (read the placards that are tailored to each exhibit). Plus there's a hand on display but the majority are wrapped. What difference does that honestly make when you know that there are several real corpses under the wrapping of the rest also? Human remains means actual human remains. The sign is there so that the squeamish can walk away. They're not all stripped and positioned for show. You're being ridiculous as an adult who read the sign, carried on and still felt triggered. On any given weekend or term time holiday days there's plenty of children viewing the same things you did, accompanied by adults. I've taken my DD and DNs there many a time. What they're displaying IS history. You're being rather silly.

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InWalksBarberalla · 15/02/2024 02:00

Wow, can't believe you just put up an image with no warning. That's really poor form.

homezookeeper · 15/02/2024 02:03

Woodenwonder · 15/02/2024 01:55

Sorry the image is in response to this comment:

I am very familiar with the museum.
The Mummies are all to certain extents "wrapped up", yeah you might see some hair sticking out of one, a foot sticking out (read the placards that are tailored to each exhibit). Plus there's a hand on display but the majority are wrapped. What difference does that honestly make when you know that there are several real corpses under the wrapping of the rest also? Human remains means actual human remains. The sign is there so that the squeamish can walk away. They're not all stripped and positioned for show. You're being ridiculous as an adult who read the sign, carried on and still felt triggered. On any given weekend or term time holiday days there's plenty of children viewing the same things you did, accompanied by adults. I've taken my DD and DNs there many a time. What they're displaying IS history. You're being rather silly.

Well yes, it does. Because at the bottom of that photo, you can see the hand that I mentioned previously (which has a placard with description). On the other side that is pictured, if you walk around then you'll see the feet and the hair that I mentioned (both have placards too). I think you've missed my point love.
This entire section is inside a huge rectangular glass case that almost fills the room. The sign about human remains is there before you walk in. There is a little corner you can walk around into with a couple of sarcophaguses and one or maybe two fully wrapped Mummies, provided that you walk past this bit first. But inside this huge section behind glass, the majority of the bodies still feature wrapping. Did you just walk along one long side before you felt freaked out or did you actually take in the entire thing?

homezookeeper · 15/02/2024 02:05

Hardly obtuse when I’m far more familiar with the exhibit you're unfairly misaligning than you are Grin

homezookeeper · 15/02/2024 02:09

InWalksBarberalla · 15/02/2024 02:00

Wow, can't believe you just put up an image with no warning. That's really poor form.

I wonder if they took that photo or googled it, but yes, if it's that offensive to the OP then why take it/post it for everyone else to see? Hmm

InWalksBarberalla · 15/02/2024 02:10

I can't believe you found it so disrespectful but yet still managed to take a photo. And then to top it off post the photo on mumsnet. Hardly respectful behaviour.

Andarna · 15/02/2024 02:11

With that warning I would expect full bodies, yes.

I also feel uncomfortable looking at them, so I mostly don't.

RobinHumphries · 15/02/2024 03:22

The image….. the bodies are clearly wrapped so I don’t know what point you were trying to prove?

Tatonka · 15/02/2024 03:25

Changingplace · 14/02/2024 22:28

The Bodies exhibition I saw was full bodies, so you should research it if you do decide you want to go.

Saw this and it was amazing, but very full on. Don't go to this OP. I agree with you about feeling something when looking, but I think that's just normal

Mumoftwo1312 · 15/02/2024 03:48

On the one hand op goes on about being respectful, a self styled "mega empath", then on the other, using a phrase like "human pepperami". Comparing a dead body to a cheap snack.

Yabu op, yabu.