Sexual Harassment On-line Training

[LudlowStreet]

Just finished.
Six different video scenarios with the question 'is this sexual harassment or not?' at the end.
First two have the women sexually harassing the man. A. Yes this is harassment.
Second two have man and women flirting together at work including man putting hands on womens bum. A. No this is not harassment.
Fifth video, a man harassing another man. A. Yes harassment.
Finally video six. a man properly harassing a women and physically intimidating her, much more seriously than the other videos. A. Yes harassment.

I'm fuming!

What happened in the fourth video?

It's video 1+2
3+4
5
6

Hardly representative of society op

Man and women flirting together at work.

What reasons were given as to why the two weren't harassment?

In the third and fourth videos, in one the woman is fliting and welcoming advances of a courier. In the other man and women in office, man puts hands on womens bum when she bends over, women looks back at him and giggles.

Because both parties welcome the attention. It added that it might not be professional but it's not harassment.

What are you 'fuming' about?

Is all touching harassment?

The thing I'm most pissed off about is under representing the harassment of women compared to men.
6 videos.
In 3 of them, the men were the victim.
In 1 of them the women was the victim.
In 2 of them the women was the harasser.
In 2 of them the men was the harasser.
In 2 of them the women was the flirt.

So women were represented as both the harasser and the flirt twice as much as they were the victim and men were 3x as likely to be the victim of sexual harassment.

It just sounds like a very cheesy training course with typically unrepresentative scenarios. We had one about disability and some of it was daft. They asked what was and wasn't a disability from a number of scenarios. It turned out they all were. It seems awful people require training on if they are being harassed or not.

So, in a nutshell, there are two sorts of women when it comes to SH. Those that sexually harass men, and those that enjoy and encourage the sexual attention of men at work. Oh, and there's occasionally a very bad aggressive and intimidating type of man who is also a sexually harasser. But as long as you're not aggressive and intimidating like him guys, you're fine.

Which when you compare to the actual statistics it’s ridiculous - could only ever of been created by a man!

Even when you're aggressive, if a woman smiles it's fine because she must be leading you on. Of course, no woman ever tries to placate men so they don't become more aggressive that's just silly, it must be her overreacting or making a false accusation.

No doubt some half wit has decided that the discrepancy between the number of male and female victims of sexual harassment is due to the 'Very Real Problem' of sexual harassment of men by women going unrecognised and under reported because 'stigma, gender norms, shame, double standards, swing too far towards women's rights bla bla....🥱

Second two have man and women flirting together at work including man putting hands on womens bum. A. No this is not harassment.

I'd be appalled at this one too. A woman flirting with a colleague (or, being interpreted to be flirting by the colleague...) is not with that consenting to be touched sexually. The man in this scenario is a creep committing sexual assault.

Maybe there has been an issue recently in your workplace with women harassing male colleagues? Is it specifically made for your workplace? Was it the kind of harassment women might write off as "ok" towards men like inappropriate comments?

I'd find the bum touch one to be on shaky grounds tbh as well. I think she'd have grounds to claim SH ...

Okay, I completely agree with you now I understand better.

How typical that harassment against women is downplayed.

If there has, I'd highly doubt it was so commonplace it required training of the whole workplace rather than dealing with the perpetrator individually through the disciplinary process. For every instance of a man being sexually harassed by a woman (and the men will be on here before long to tell us all about how it happened to them I'm sure!) women could list you half a dozen of instances against them. Its not a problem for the training to highlight men can be victims. The problem is in framing them as primary or even equal victims, and that even when they're the harasser, it's probably accidental on their part because they've been provoked.